ICEBlock climbs to the top of the App Store charts after officials slam it
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It's actually not possible to build a push service like FCM or APNS on Android and have it function at the same level as FCM. FCM has special permissions to bypass certain device states on the device to ensure message delivery that nothing else can match.
The best you can do is approximate it with an always active websocket and a foreground service always running with battery optimizations disabled, but good luck not having that foreground service shut down on occasion as well. Devices are hostile to them for battery saving purposes. You'd have the best luck with a Pixel device though for something like that. You could also do some sort of scheduled background polling, but the device can be hostile to that as well, and it would eat more battery.
Yes, I used web sockets for Signal for a while. It drained 30% of my battery when the phone sat idle for a day. Absolutely bonkers. Made the phone almost unusable so had to revert to FCM or disable notifications.
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We need a federated equivalent. Anything centralized can be stopped.
Federation is an overly complicated solution it's not required. It also wouldn't actually help, they can still take it off the app store there'd be another one but they would just play whack-a-mole and you can achieve the same thing with open source.
The best bet would be to have the database hosted outside the US and just have apps that pull the data from an API. There's no need for the app itself to store the data in fact that's a really stupid way to do it. You could federate it if you wanted but honestly that's probably unnecessary
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The devs don't really seem to have a clue about smartphone.
https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3lt2prfb2vk2rThanks for the heads up.
Saw it wasn't on F-Droid and was going to ask for source page (to get through Obtanium), but looks like they're allergic to android and derivates. Appreciate you pointing to references.
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Worse still it's not even clear what is being discussed. It implied "violence" but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.
% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.
ICE also keep getting caught on camera lying about being threatened before they start beating some innocent
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Federation is an overly complicated solution it's not required. It also wouldn't actually help, they can still take it off the app store there'd be another one but they would just play whack-a-mole and you can achieve the same thing with open source.
The best bet would be to have the database hosted outside the US and just have apps that pull the data from an API. There's no need for the app itself to store the data in fact that's a really stupid way to do it. You could federate it if you wanted but honestly that's probably unnecessary
Honestly yeah, if we can just torrent the database and have it stored outside the U.S then it's good
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ICEBlock climbs to the top of the App Store charts after officials slam it
The application, which allows users to add a pin on a map to show where ICE agents have recently been spotted, has climbed to the to the top of the App Store charts.
Engadget (www.engadget.com)
...iOS forces uses Apple services including getting apps through Apple...
Can't speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you've lost 99% of users, if not more.
It makes me think they're not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2501/
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The devs don't really seem to have a clue about smartphone.
https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3lt2prfb2vk2r...iOS forces uses Apple services including getting apps through Apple...
Can't speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you've lost 99% of users, if not more.
It makes me suspect they're not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2501/
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Worse still it's not even clear what is being discussed. It implied "violence" but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.
% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.
We all know that cops will try to charge you with assaulting them if you so much as shrug while being arrested. And they'll contrive situations just so they can do that. I'd say that makes their statistics meaningless without specific details and proof.
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international VPNs are not immune from US subpoena
And condoms are only 98% effective.
A condom and VPN work on the same principle: a layer of protection. No protection is ever 100% effective, but you can at least try.
Remember, they’re already building the camps. It’s only a matter of time before “helping illegals” is a crime that gets you sent to the camps. I’d rather make the fascists work for it at least.
And condoms are only 98% effective.
Your analogy doesn't make sense. It would be more apt to say "condoms from Walmart can be compromised!" but it makes no sense because they can be compromised anywhere. If you think shopping somewhere else means they won't be compromised, that's not logical.
It's not to say that you shouldn't use them, it's to say that you shouldn't judge them based on the geographical location they're acquired.
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Yes, I used web sockets for Signal for a while. It drained 30% of my battery when the phone sat idle for a day. Absolutely bonkers. Made the phone almost unusable so had to revert to FCM or disable notifications.
Ya, it can be brutal on battery.
I worked on an app once where delivery was critical, so we gave them the option of the active service+websocket, but for them the trade off was acceptable.
Pushes can be pretty flakey given all the shenanigans OEMs do on the device, even when marked as high priority correctly.
And the even worse part is when OEMs reset battery saving flags the user had set to help pushes get through and they stop working one day because of it.
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It's actually not possible to build a push service like FCM or APNS on Android and have it function at the same level as FCM. FCM has special permissions to bypass certain device states on the device to ensure message delivery that nothing else can match.
The best you can do is approximate it with an always active websocket and a foreground service always running with battery optimizations disabled, but good luck not having that foreground service shut down on occasion as well. Devices are hostile to them for battery saving purposes. You'd have the best luck with a Pixel device though for something like that. You could also do some sort of scheduled background polling, but the device can be hostile to that as well, and it would eat more battery.
It's true that FCM will result in more reliability and a better UX than other ways to implement notifications. Doing something else is still the right choice for certain use cases, such as those where privacy or keeping the entire codebase open source are top priorities.
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...iOS forces uses Apple services including getting apps through Apple...
Can't speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you've lost 99% of users, if not more.
It makes me suspect they're not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2501/
It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
The developers of GrapheneOS, an independent, security-oriented Android distribution are probably not only talking about stock OEM Android. What they're saying is true about stock OEM android though.
That's a separate issue from whether users are forced to get all their software from a specific source, which is also separate from whether users will actually use other sources when given the option.
On Android, developers can offer users a way to install an app that isn't easily traced to their identity and on iOS they can't. Furthermore, an Android app can be both on the Play store and available from other sources; there's no exclusivity.
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Is there an android version?
Fire works on Android and is meant to do basically the same thing. I saw someone post it in another thread, but haven't explored it in depth.
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It's true that FCM will result in more reliability and a better UX than other ways to implement notifications. Doing something else is still the right choice for certain use cases, such as those where privacy or keeping the entire codebase open source are top priorities.
Ya, for sure. My beef was just with people saying you can roll your own, but glossing over the reduced user experience and reliability if you do.
With those trade offs it's absolutely doable and makes sense for certain situations.
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It's so blatant as if theyre using an instruction manual or something
Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi
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Worse still it's not even clear what is being discussed. It implied "violence" but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.
% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.
Sadly I haven't heard of any ICE officers getting shot in the line of duty.
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Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi
Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi
He's a fucking JEWISH Nazi - which is the worst kind of self loathing Nazi.
He'd be the first in the showers when the real Nazis come to town.
He's a pathetic loser.
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She said that there's been a 500 percent increase against ICE agents who are just "trying to do their jobs and remove public safety threats from... communities."
Exactly what the Nazis who ran extermination camps claimed.
Exactly. Basically "wahhhh this is making it harder for the kidnappers to kidnap people!! stop using the app they're just trying to do their jobs pls feel sorry for them
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It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
The developers of GrapheneOS, an independent, security-oriented Android distribution are probably not only talking about stock OEM Android. What they're saying is true about stock OEM android though.
That's a separate issue from whether users are forced to get all their software from a specific source, which is also separate from whether users will actually use other sources when given the option.
On Android, developers can offer users a way to install an app that isn't easily traced to their identity and on iOS they can't. Furthermore, an Android app can be both on the Play store and available from other sources; there's no exclusivity.
You got that "tracked to their identity" opposite around.
The reason why there is no Android App is, if the phone gets "found" the data about the user/owner is an open book. -
You don't even need to audit a closed source app to know that Apple knows which devices its sending pushes to. It works because they know.
And how would they know that?
That would mean push notifications would go via an Apple Server. Wich
a) makes no sense
b) can be masquerade so that the server does not know who talks to whom
c) the meta information and the notification can be deleted timelyOn the other hand, I guess most Android "low level" peer to peer apps go via FireBase?
