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  • We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

  • We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

    Another alt-right crybaby?

  • Another alt-right crybaby?

    Don't know TBH, he's the least annoying but smug regardless, so yeah Kinda I guess

  • We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

    He wouldn't have any problem whatsoever if Debian was publicly endorsing right wing views and losing leftist contributors.

    Linux and the GPL FOSS movement is inherently leftist, snd right wingers have been wailing about leftist views in various FOSS projects for over a decade. I recall many threads on reddit accusing Linus of having been made 'woke' by his daughter when the CoC was introduced, back during the gamergate era.

    It's all the same shit, all the same complaints, and all a waste of time. As the US descends into extreme fascism to the cries of approval of the MAGA cult, it becomes harder and harder to stomach them in a project.

    The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

  • He wouldn't have any problem whatsoever if Debian was publicly endorsing right wing views and losing leftist contributors.

    Linux and the GPL FOSS movement is inherently leftist, snd right wingers have been wailing about leftist views in various FOSS projects for over a decade. I recall many threads on reddit accusing Linus of having been made 'woke' by his daughter when the CoC was introduced, back during the gamergate era.

    It's all the same shit, all the same complaints, and all a waste of time. As the US descends into extreme fascism to the cries of approval of the MAGA cult, it becomes harder and harder to stomach them in a project.

    The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

    The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

    Can you elaborate on this, or point me to where I can read about it? Getting away from AI was a part of the reason I ditched Windows 😕

  • The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

    Can you elaborate on this, or point me to where I can read about it? Getting away from AI was a part of the reason I ditched Windows 😕

    He shows the article, from phoronix, in the video above, and talks about it

  • We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

    I will never understand why people think FOSS is or should be apolitical.

    FOSS has always been political. It's literally never existed in any other way.

  • I will never understand why people think FOSS is or should be apolitical.

    FOSS has always been political. It's literally never existed in any other way.

    Yes, FOSS has always been political, just not the politics Debian dipped itself.

  • We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

    open-source supporter and any level of rightwing is self-contradicting

    Nothing surprises me since the YouTube distrotube uploaded a video with his rifle saying that "if you support free software you should support gun rights"

  • We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

    I was about to watch when I realized who it was. To be honest, many of the Linux YouTubers have turned me off for different reasons, but I never enjoyed this guy's videos and I'm not the only one...

    I guess I should watch this to give a decent opinion. Other distros are just as political and decisions reflect their stance (like how Alpine doesn't include Xlibre for reasons). As it stands, I'm fine with that.

    I am unaware of the particularities surrounding the Debian situation, so I'll still need to play catch up.

  • open-source supporter and any level of rightwing is self-contradicting

    Nothing surprises me since the YouTube distrotube uploaded a video with his rifle saying that "if you support free software you should support gun rights"

    When will these people understand that Gun-Control doesn't mean people won't be able to own guns

  • I will never understand why people think FOSS is or should be apolitical.

    FOSS has always been political. It's literally never existed in any other way.

    Like being neutral is also a political stance. FOSS can never be apolitical

  • I was about to watch when I realized who it was. To be honest, many of the Linux YouTubers have turned me off for different reasons, but I never enjoyed this guy's videos and I'm not the only one...

    I guess I should watch this to give a decent opinion. Other distros are just as political and decisions reflect their stance (like how Alpine doesn't include Xlibre for reasons). As it stands, I'm fine with that.

    I am unaware of the particularities surrounding the Debian situation, so I'll still need to play catch up.

    Trafotin is also not a trust-worthy source to use. This is the same guy that berates forking & attacked Debian & gives horrible privacy & security advices & censors dissent.

    There's a reason his co-ordinated attack didn't work. But he is right about STL.

  • When will these people understand that Gun-Control doesn't mean people won't be able to own guns

    They don't really understand anything because they don't really think. They just repeat what they're told while convincing themselves its an independent thought that appeared in their head as if by magic. These are the people outsourcing most of their thinking these days to ChatGPT, because it's not something they've ever really valued or been interested in doing themselves. Life's a lot easier when you don't have to think about much. They're "doers" not "thinkers". And frankly, it shows. We see an awful lot of stuff getting done right now, and very little thinking.

  • Trafotin is also not a trust-worthy source to use. This is the same guy that berates forking & attacked Debian & gives horrible privacy & security advices & censors dissent.

    There's a reason his co-ordinated attack didn't work. But he is right about STL.

    Oh for sure, they can be aggravating but I haven't watched any of their vids in over a year. I wouldn't take their advice the same as how I wouldn't want anyone to take my advice. Just because someone says they work in IT doesn't mean they do, right? I used to work in a pharmacy and people would ask me for medical advice when they saw me in town, but I didn't work in the dispensary. I knew the answer to their question, but I was not going to risk it.

  • The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

    Can you elaborate on this, or point me to where I can read about it? Getting away from AI was a part of the reason I ditched Windows 😕

    You can read more about it here: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-More-Newcomers-LLMs

    They also seem to have voted on this subject back in may, but I don't know how to find the results: https://www.debian.org/vote/2025/vote_002#secondsa

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    Of all the crap that comes out of the dipshit-in-chief's mouth, the one thing I really wish he would've followed through on was deporting Elmo.
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    Well yeah exactly why I said "the same risk". ideally it's going to be in the same systems... and assuming no one is stupid enough (or the laws don't let them) attach it to the publicly accessible forms of existing AIs It's not a new additional risk, just the same one. (though those assumptions are largely there own risks.
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    No I don't think there really were many so your point is valid But the law works like that, things are in a grey area or in limbo until they are defined into law. That means the new law can be written to either protect consumer privacy, or make it legal to the letter to rape consumer privacy like this bill, or some weird inbetween where some shady stuff is still explicitly allowed but in general consumers are protected in specific ways from specific privacy abuses This bill being the second option is bad because typically when laws are written it then takes a loooong time to reverse them
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    No, just laminated ones. Closed at one end. Easy enough to make or buy. You can even improvise the propellant.
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    (Premise - suppose I accept that there is such a definable thing as capitalism) I'm not sure why you feel the need to state this in a discussion that already assumes it as a necessary precondition of, but, uh, you do you. People blaming capitalism for everything then build a country that imports grain, while before them and after them it’s among the largest exporters on the planet (if we combine Russia and Ukraine for the “after” metric, no pun intended). ...what? What does this have to do with literally anything, much less my comment about innovation/competition? Even setting aside the wild-assed assumptions you're making about me criticizing capitalism means I 'blame [it] for everything', this tirade you've launched into, presumably about Ukraine and the USSR, has no bearing on anything even tangentially related to this conversation. People praising capitalism create conditions in which there’s no reason to praise it. Like, it’s competitive - they kill competitiveness with patents, IP, very complex legal systems. It’s self-regulating and self-optimizing - they make regulations and do bailouts preventing sick companies from dying, make laws after their interests, then reactively make regulations to make conditions with them existing bearable, which have a side effect of killing smaller companies. Please allow me to reiterate: ...what? Capitalists didn't build literally any of those things, governments did, and capitalists have been trying to escape, subvert, or dismantle those systems at every turn, so this... vain, confusing attempt to pin a medal on capitalism's chest for restraining itself is not only wrong, it fails to understand basic facts about history. It's the opposite of self-regulating because it actively seeks to dismantle regulations (environmental, labor, wage, etc), and the only thing it optimizes for is the wealth of oligarchs, and maybe if they're lucky, there will be a few crumbs left over for their simps. That’s the problem, both “socialist” and “capitalist” ideal systems ignore ape power dynamics. I'm going to go ahead an assume that 'the problem' has more to do with assuming that complex interacting systems can be simplified to 'ape (or any other animal's) power dynamics' than with failing to let the richest people just do whatever they want. Such systems should be designed on top of the fact that jungle law is always allowed So we should just be cool with everybody being poor so Jeff Bezos or whoever can upgrade his megayacht to a gigayacht or whatever? Let me say this in the politest way I know how: LOL no. Also, do you remember when I said this? ‘Won’t someone please think of the billionaires’ is wearing kinda thin You know, right before you went on this very long-winded, surreal, barely-coherent ramble? Did you imagine I would be convinced by literally any of it when all it amounts to is one giant, extraneous, tedious equivalent of 'Won't someone please think of the billionaires?' Simp harder and I bet maybe you can get a crumb or two yourself.
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    When a Lemmy instance owner gets a legal request from a foreign countries government to take down content, after they’re done shitting themselves they’ll take the content down or they’ll have to implement a country wide block on that country, along with not allowing any citizens of that country to use their instance no matter where they are located. Block me, I don’t care. You’re just proving that you can’t handle the truth and being challenged with it.