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  • mitm0@lemmy.worldM

    We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

    kami@lemmy.dbzer0.comK prodigalfrog@slrpnk.netP T N P 5 Antworten
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  • mitm0@lemmy.worldM mitm0@lemmy.world

    We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

    kami@lemmy.dbzer0.comK

    Another alt-right crybaby?

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  • kami@lemmy.dbzer0.comK kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    Another alt-right crybaby?

    mitm0@lemmy.worldM

    Don't know TBH, he's the least annoying but smug regardless, so yeah Kinda I guess

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  • mitm0@lemmy.worldM mitm0@lemmy.world

    We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

    prodigalfrog@slrpnk.netP

    He wouldn't have any problem whatsoever if Debian was publicly endorsing right wing views and losing leftist contributors.

    Linux and the GPL FOSS movement is inherently leftist, snd right wingers have been wailing about leftist views in various FOSS projects for over a decade. I recall many threads on reddit accusing Linus of having been made 'woke' by his daughter when the CoC was introduced, back during the gamergate era.

    It's all the same shit, all the same complaints, and all a waste of time. As the US descends into extreme fascism to the cries of approval of the MAGA cult, it becomes harder and harder to stomach them in a project.

    The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

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  • prodigalfrog@slrpnk.netP prodigalfrog@slrpnk.net

    He wouldn't have any problem whatsoever if Debian was publicly endorsing right wing views and losing leftist contributors.

    Linux and the GPL FOSS movement is inherently leftist, snd right wingers have been wailing about leftist views in various FOSS projects for over a decade. I recall many threads on reddit accusing Linus of having been made 'woke' by his daughter when the CoC was introduced, back during the gamergate era.

    It's all the same shit, all the same complaints, and all a waste of time. As the US descends into extreme fascism to the cries of approval of the MAGA cult, it becomes harder and harder to stomach them in a project.

    The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

    S

    The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

    Can you elaborate on this, or point me to where I can read about it? Getting away from AI was a part of the reason I ditched Windows 😕

    B prodigalfrog@slrpnk.netP 2 Antworten
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  • S sincerityiscool@lemmy.ca

    The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

    Can you elaborate on this, or point me to where I can read about it? Getting away from AI was a part of the reason I ditched Windows 😕

    B

    He shows the article, from phoronix, in the video above, and talks about it

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  • mitm0@lemmy.worldM mitm0@lemmy.world

    We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

    T

    I will never understand why people think FOSS is or should be apolitical.

    FOSS has always been political. It's literally never existed in any other way.

    G mitm0@lemmy.worldM 2 Antworten
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  • T thegrandnagus@lemmy.world

    I will never understand why people think FOSS is or should be apolitical.

    FOSS has always been political. It's literally never existed in any other way.

    G

    Yes, FOSS has always been political, just not the politics Debian dipped itself.

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  • mitm0@lemmy.worldM mitm0@lemmy.world

    We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

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    open-source supporter and any level of rightwing is self-contradicting

    Nothing surprises me since the YouTube distrotube uploaded a video with his rifle saying that "if you support free software you should support gun rights"

    mitm0@lemmy.worldM 1 Antwort
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  • mitm0@lemmy.worldM mitm0@lemmy.world

    We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

    I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

    MY OPINION:

    "Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
    This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

    Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

    P

    I was about to watch when I realized who it was. To be honest, many of the Linux YouTubers have turned me off for different reasons, but I never enjoyed this guy's videos and I'm not the only one...

    I guess I should watch this to give a decent opinion. Other distros are just as political and decisions reflect their stance (like how Alpine doesn't include Xlibre for reasons). As it stands, I'm fine with that.

    I am unaware of the particularities surrounding the Debian situation, so I'll still need to play catch up.

    mitm0@lemmy.worldM 1 Antwort
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  • N notarobot@lemmy.zip

    open-source supporter and any level of rightwing is self-contradicting

    Nothing surprises me since the YouTube distrotube uploaded a video with his rifle saying that "if you support free software you should support gun rights"

    mitm0@lemmy.worldM

    When will these people understand that Gun-Control doesn't mean people won't be able to own guns

    cecilkorik@lemmy.caC 1 Antwort
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  • T thegrandnagus@lemmy.world

    I will never understand why people think FOSS is or should be apolitical.

    FOSS has always been political. It's literally never existed in any other way.

    mitm0@lemmy.worldM

    Like being neutral is also a political stance. FOSS can never be apolitical

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  • P pasdechance@jlai.lu

    I was about to watch when I realized who it was. To be honest, many of the Linux YouTubers have turned me off for different reasons, but I never enjoyed this guy's videos and I'm not the only one...

    I guess I should watch this to give a decent opinion. Other distros are just as political and decisions reflect their stance (like how Alpine doesn't include Xlibre for reasons). As it stands, I'm fine with that.

    I am unaware of the particularities surrounding the Debian situation, so I'll still need to play catch up.

    mitm0@lemmy.worldM

    Trafotin is also not a trust-worthy source to use. This is the same guy that berates forking & attacked Debian & gives horrible privacy & security advices & censors dissent.

    There's a reason his co-ordinated attack didn't work. But he is right about STL.

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  • mitm0@lemmy.worldM mitm0@lemmy.world

    When will these people understand that Gun-Control doesn't mean people won't be able to own guns

    cecilkorik@lemmy.caC

    They don't really understand anything because they don't really think. They just repeat what they're told while convincing themselves its an independent thought that appeared in their head as if by magic. These are the people outsourcing most of their thinking these days to ChatGPT, because it's not something they've ever really valued or been interested in doing themselves. Life's a lot easier when you don't have to think about much. They're "doers" not "thinkers". And frankly, it shows. We see an awful lot of stuff getting done right now, and very little thinking.

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  • mitm0@lemmy.worldM mitm0@lemmy.world

    Trafotin is also not a trust-worthy source to use. This is the same guy that berates forking & attacked Debian & gives horrible privacy & security advices & censors dissent.

    There's a reason his co-ordinated attack didn't work. But he is right about STL.

    P

    Oh for sure, they can be aggravating but I haven't watched any of their vids in over a year. I wouldn't take their advice the same as how I wouldn't want anyone to take my advice. Just because someone says they work in IT doesn't mean they do, right? I used to work in a pharmacy and people would ask me for medical advice when they saw me in town, but I didn't work in the dispensary. I knew the answer to their question, but I was not going to risk it.

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  • S sincerityiscool@lemmy.ca

    The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

    Can you elaborate on this, or point me to where I can read about it? Getting away from AI was a part of the reason I ditched Windows 😕

    prodigalfrog@slrpnk.netP

    You can read more about it here: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-More-Newcomers-LLMs

    They also seem to have voted on this subject back in may, but I don't know how to find the results: https://www.debian.org/vote/2025/vote_002#secondsa

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