Headphone jack is e-waste

you can use the usb C headphones

What the absolute fuck are you talking about? What am I supposed to do with the dozen wired headphones I already have? Some of them decades old? Throw them in the garbage? Sounds real eco-friendly.

bluetooth audio is great

It is. We had it on phones since before the original iPhone. No one wants to take that away.

Problem is BT headphones last 2 years then they go in the garbage because the batteries are dead. How eco-friendly is that!?

I use wireless charging every single day and majority of my non techie friends do as well. Its so convenient to have a wireless charger on the desk and put your phone there. They are dirt cheap as well.

OTG compatible is a rare feature, I have an endoscope camera that uses OTG, but not a compatible phone.

Also, no mention of a headphone jack.

I use them and that's more than reason enough to want a reliable, small, cheap, jack that literally has no downsides and lets me use my devices how I want to use them.

Sony Xperia 5V

Yes if they've lasted decades thats their job done. Now people are buying usb C headphones and there is no need to continue to support decades old standards. The ewaste from a pair of headphones is tiny so its not worth fretting over.

Also BT headphones last longer than 2 years. Mine are 1st gen samsung buds and going on 5 years at this point and still hold enough charge to listen to music during my work day. If im going to be using them all day I have 1 in and 1 charging in the case and then I can easily have music for 10+ hours on a 5 year old device. If I threw them away today I would consider them to have not been ewaste.

One plus did the same thing. Now they're no different then all the expensive brands out there.

No consumer decided it would be better without it, there's literally no reason to defend it's removal. It doesn't exist because the phone companies wanted to sell their wireless earbuds, that's it. Anything else they tell you is bullshit.

Why are you trying to justify not having it? You can still use your wireless buds if you want if the port exists, you can still use your USB-C earphones or adapter if you'd like. It can exist in harmony along with other features, like it did for decades before capitalism called for more profits.

Yes if they've lasted decades thats their job done

No it means they'll essentially last indefinitely, unlike BT buds.

Now people are buying usb C headphones and there is no need to continue to support decades old standards

No, what's happened is that we went from a single open standard for audio jacks to competing standards (actually 3 of them before the EU stepped in and forced Apple to quit their bullshit). And gained nothing in the process.

The ewaste from a pair of headphones is tiny so its not worth fretting over.

It's not a pair of headphones, it's millions of audio devices.

I didn't know sony made phones

Well not actually lost... I just haven't found under which furniture it rolled yet

love fairphone but i cant go bacl from graphene os. its so nice not having google attacjed to everything.

I don't really care about sound quality when using earphones at home because I only use them when there's a lot of ambient noise so the sound will be bad either way. When doing vacuum cleaning, or the dishes, stuff like that. When I still had a smartphone I used a 1,5m extension cord so it wouldn't pull on the jack each time I move, but since it died I'm using a much longer one plugged to my PC (not actually 10m, that was hyperbole, more like 5m). It's not very convenient I'll admit, but it does the job.

They've always made phones...

Obviously not, the poor spec choices led to the price. Perhaps the company claiming to focus on ethics could focus on ethics instead of bezel-less design and 120 Hz screens, thus bringing it in at a lower price point. Feel free to critique me now

Not in the US apparently

If I've asked a question twice and you've danced around it both times, that tells everyone what your answer is.

If you want something not Google, I used to have Ubuntu Touch on a Fairphone before Australia's 3G network was switched off. It would have to be an older Fairphone however.

You know you've got not argument when you have to compare a $700 dollar phone to a $5 dongle for your argument to even make sense.

First of all, I seriously doubt any $700 phone without a 3.5mm port is going to have a decent DAC, because there's no reason for it. In those phones the DAC is used primarily for phone calls. If those phones had a a 3.5mm port and they were flagship phones then maybe they would have higher quality DACs in them, but then they'd also cost more. And secondly, I wasn't talking about some cheap $5 dongle, I specifically said quality headphones.

Why aren't you complaining about the removal of a keyboard? Or the removal of SD card slots? Or the removal or the IR light? Or the notification light? or something else that used to be there but isn't now. Why is the 3.5mm port so special it deserves constant complaining about almost A DECADE LATER? Why must you be these grumpy old men who can't fucking move on with the times.

I don't really care if the port is there or not, I'm just fed up with the constant whining about it. It's gone, the ship has sailed. The majority are more than happy to use wireless headphones, 3.5mm is a niche in the mobile space. There are alternatives if you really like wired headphones. What makes 3.5mm such fucking hill to die on? Nothing. It's just petty conservatism of people unwilling to move on with the times.