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  • assuming they didn't keep 8K, Just the raw 4k footage from just the wan show for one year would be ~150tb

  • What about Rumble? GN is on there and directly supportable.

    He's got 935 followers and about 20,000 views there

    Rumble only takes half the cut YouTube does, But the amount of traffic on there is microscopic compared to YouTube. There's some room there to make money.

    The vast majority of the content on there is a conservative echo chamber. I'd be a little worried about his ability to maintain journalistic integrity against big companies in that ecosystem. I'm also wondering what their ads look like 😉

  • Nobody is gonna watch a torrent tuber, the audience would get cut to 1/100th if even that.

    Too many people rely on the aggregates and the algorithms.

    It's funny, I remember watching The Scene from torrents (or maybe eDonkey2000/eMule?) 20 years ago. And it was relatively popular. Though I don't remember the last time I even had a BitTorrent client installed. If you're right, then we've failed ourselves. (And you may be right.)

  • He's got 935 followers and about 20,000 views there

    Rumble only takes half the cut YouTube does, But the amount of traffic on there is microscopic compared to YouTube. There's some room there to make money.

    The vast majority of the content on there is a conservative echo chamber. I'd be a little worried about his ability to maintain journalistic integrity against big companies in that ecosystem. I'm also wondering what their ads look like 😉

    The vast majority of the content on there is a conservative echo chamber.

    TIL. It's always rather amusing as someone outside of America that posts containing factual information get downvotes purely based on the perceived alignment of the subject on the zero-nuance American Political Spectrum. I block ads, so I wouldn't know.

  • You're getting downvoted, but this is true. Nearly everyone who does youtube has gotten a strike at some point, me included. It goes away after 90 days. This means you can get a strike almost every month and keep going.

    If you're knowledgeable, I have a question. Years ago I uploaded a YouTube video that wouldn't publish because of an automatic claim. I instantly disputed it, and it took like 5 or 6 months to resolve. But I saw someone today say that claimants had a week or two to respond to a dispute. Do you know if that's the case now, or if someone was talking trash?

    (I found a similar claim on YouTube, but they may've found the same line and repeated it, and who knows if FAQs are actually up to date.)

  • If you're knowledgeable, I have a question. Years ago I uploaded a YouTube video that wouldn't publish because of an automatic claim. I instantly disputed it, and it took like 5 or 6 months to resolve. But I saw someone today say that claimants had a week or two to respond to a dispute. Do you know if that's the case now, or if someone was talking trash?

    (I found a similar claim on YouTube, but they may've found the same line and repeated it, and who knows if FAQs are actually up to date.)

    Honestly sounds like a glitch. Never heard of this before and from a quick search, I don't see anyone else having this issue. Did this by any chance happen in 2022 summer-autumn? At that time youtube was modifying it's dispute system and how many days it can take, which could have resulted in some oversight for some who were already in the process of it.

    Claimants have 30 days to respond, after which it is automatically thrown out and your video should be good to go. The 7 day thing applies to counter-claims and escalation, not standart disputes, so 30+7 days(x*), but not months of just waiting.

  • Fortunately, New York has anti-SLAPP laws. In fact, they made them stronger when it comes to matters that touch free speech on public issues, which is what reporting something the president said would fall squarely under.

    Good on New York, and good to hear.

  • Before Google came along, most search engines were manually curated. I'm disappointed that nobody's had any success bringing that concept back. They always cave in and take the cheap route by trying to make the general public & algorithms rate things, which of course instantly gets gamed to uselessness.

    These two comments read like Dejá-vu…

  • It’s explained very clearly in the video, that it takes 10 days from filing the complaint. If Bloomberg persist on the issue, the take down stands.

    I addressed this. Bloomberg must press actual legal charges for the takedown to stand, and provide proof to Youtube. This is mentioned very around 7:32 in the video. Here's a screenshot:

    YouTube is basically saying to Bloomberg: yeah, we are ruling that this is not infringement, but if you still disagree and really want to press the issue... put your money where your mouth is and provide proof that you filed actual legal charges. They're only doing what is legally required of them by the DMCA.

    And, as you conveniently keep ignoring, even if alllll this ends up with Bloomberg suing GamersNexus in a court of law and winning (a highly unlikely outcome) and the video being permanently delisted... that is still only 1 copyright strike, and not enough for "The Channel To Be Deleted!!!!". It basically takes 3 strikes within the same 90 days for a channel to be subject to deletion. Ergo: it is fucking click bait. Their channel is not and never was in danger of being deleted.

    I addressed this. Bloomberg must press actual legal charges for the takedown to stand,

    Why then did you continue to claim: "the copyright strike got reverted and the video restored." ?

    YouTube is basically saying to Bloomberg: yeah, we are ruling that this is not infringement,

    No they are not, because the decision stands unless Bloomberg doesn't take further action.

    Notice the take down notice according to Bloomberg themselves ,was not a mistake made by some form of automation. It was a manually reviewed take down notice by Bloomberg specifically against the video.
    Also notice that such a take down notice result in a 100% guaranteed 10 day take down of the video, silencing it for 10 days, where even if restored after 10 days will only receive a fraction of the original views due to the YouTube algorithm not presenting it.

    So the Silence part is 100% true and not clickbait as you claim.

    IF Bloomberg chooses to pursue the issue in court, the take down will stand even though it is obviously made in bad faith. This is very contrary to your claim that it's already lifted which it is NOT!

    that is still only 1 copyright strike

    You keep claiming that, as if it has any real relevance. And as if you know how many of these they receive on average, and completely disregarding how easy it is to make a DMCA take down claim, and disregarding how these claims take down channels even when they are obviously not valid.
    One aspect of how insane the YouTube practices are on handling these is described here:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/PartneredYoutube/comments/1fg08j6/youtube_gave_me_a_copyright_strike_for_my_own/

    So now if you would care to consider the motivation for the take down, which we don't know for sure, but we do have some circumstantial evidence.
    The video was about AI chips used in China that China is not supposed to have access to.
    The AI market in China is a $30+ billion per year market for Nvidia. So obviously Nvidia is not interested in it being disclosed about how their chips are sold to China despite being sanctioned.
    Also notice that Nvidia is Bloombergs biggest customer. And Bloomberg made a similar video to the one Gamers Nexus made, but where Bloomberg found nothing,

    Now consider a billion dollar market is at stake, and Nvidia probably spend more than the total value of Gamers Nexus at Bloomberg per month. How big do you think Gamers Nexus is in that context? They are as I described small, it's like a mouse fighting an rhino.

    Now if Nvidia want that video blocked more than 10 days, they can easily have Bloomberg continue their frivolous claim, and have other allies post take down notices against Gamers Nexus and have the channel closed. It's actually insane how easy it is, because Google seems to almost always side with the bigger player, probably because it's the cheapest solution requiring the fewest lawyers.

    So the threat to close the channel is absolutely there. And the only real protection Gamers Nexus has is the Streisand effect. Legally they can practically do next to nothing.

    If Bloomberg decides to, they can squash Gamers Nexus like a bug with little effort. If you really can's see that you are very naive.

  • Before Google came along, most search engines were manually curated. I'm disappointed that nobody's had any success bringing that concept back. They always cave in and take the cheap route by trying to make the general public & algorithms rate things, which of course instantly gets gamed to uselessness.

    Isn't this a bit disingenuous to why they originally started to change the algorithm though?

    People figured it out and started abusing it by spinning up proxy websites that would just link to the sites they wanted higher up in the rankings. You could argue Google only became an advertising company so that they could regulate that whilst also taking a slice.

    I'm not arguing that they've since lost their way though.

  • So I am completely ignorant about this, but... Would just hosting torrents to their own content work? I know the revenue might not be the same, but, would it be possible to keep it going around?

    Fanimatrix was a fan made short movie that used torrents as the main distribution method.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/07/so-grimy-so-cheap-new-zealand-matrix-fan-film-becomes-oldest-active-torrent-in-the-world

  • Um, the video in question here?

    The channel is not in danger of being deleted, not even close. They received a single copyright strike, which in principle already got reversed by youtube (though still pending a 10 day waiting period for the claimant to reply and file legal action). It takes 3 valid copyright strikes within a 90 day period for a channel to be deleted.

    They're not angry because their channel is in danger of being deleted, they're angry because they got hit in the moneys, losing ad revenue on a video that probably cost quite a bit of money to produce. Because of how the algorithm works, they'll probably not recoup the lost views on that particular video, even when it's reinstated.

    It's also not like abusive and frivolous copyright strikes are a new thing. They've been a byproduct of the safe harbor provisions (aka OCILLA ) in the DMCA for almost 3 decades now (DMCA was introduced in 1998), and the chilling effects on online speech and liberties have been well documented and covered to death by various publications over the years, but somehow GamersNexus only discovers it and starts to care when their bottom line is affected by it. I get that it's not cool, but I don't get why people should care about this particular instance of DMCA abuse, especially as it seems to be going as well for GamersNexus as a copyright strike can possibly go, given that Youtube already ruled in their favor.

    To me it comes across as a hastily put together video to spring on their audience to whip up outrage and compensate for lost ad revenue. It's a tried and true tactic, if you don't have news, make the news. It seems to be working too: after one day this video already has more views than anything else they put out in the last 6 months, so it will probably make them more money than the taken down video would ever make. Good for them, but that doesn't mean that you can't see it for the sensationalist click bait non-story that it is.

  • I don't have an interest in being liked by Steve. I do have an interest in journalism outlets who are willing to say that a $4T market cap company is full of shit.

    willing to say that a $4T market cap company is full of shit.

    I'm willing to say that too, but you have to admit that it's a lot easier to say such things on a Youtube video that gets you 900k views in a day.

    Also: careful to censor those middle fingers so you don't get ... gasp... demonetized

  • Can someone explain me why creators cant do both? Reupload a mirror on peertube.

    Its in their interest to have a solid backup when youtube inevitably dies.

    Because they do actually do it for the money. It's a job, and if they put the same content on a non monetized platform, they would drive they're own viewers away from their own monetized platform = less money.

  • They can, Gardiner Bryant does, and Louis Rossmann uploads to Odyssee. Afaik, there's nothing preventing a creator from doing that aside from time.

    Initial setup is the only real time investment. Once you have the final edited video exported, uploading it to multiple platforms doesn't take much more time. It does take away ad impressions from YouTube, though.

  • Play in someone else's walled garden, and they may kick you out and not let you back in. It's not as if people haven't been warning against this since the beginning of youtube.

    That's why I never made a career out of it. I just never like the idea of putting my whole life in YouTube's hands. I do have a small channel that I post to whenever I feel like and never really cared for it much. Sometimes, I don't post for a couple of years.

  • Why is this being downvoted?

    You angered the tech jesus fanbois

    😂. My apologies, my apostles.

  • The vast majority of the content on there is a conservative echo chamber.

    TIL. It's always rather amusing as someone outside of America that posts containing factual information get downvotes purely based on the perceived alignment of the subject on the zero-nuance American Political Spectrum. I block ads, so I wouldn't know.

    I certainly didn't downvote you.

    It's definitely not a bad idea to look. Rumble is probably the second best option which is why he's there. But spend about 2 minutes looking around on rumble and it's like taking your dinner in the sewer. Anti-woke, anti-DEI, crypto, people praising armed military flooding into the streets of peaceful cities. The second most popular channel on there is newsmax which is literally propaganda. His will be able to resonate with the people that are there, But the rest of the content on the site is so edgy that it pushes away the vast majority.

    One of the biggest complaints about the platform is the lack of traffic. The ease of use is there, the monetization is there, but the discovery isn't.

  • Honestly sounds like a glitch. Never heard of this before and from a quick search, I don't see anyone else having this issue. Did this by any chance happen in 2022 summer-autumn? At that time youtube was modifying it's dispute system and how many days it can take, which could have resulted in some oversight for some who were already in the process of it.

    Claimants have 30 days to respond, after which it is automatically thrown out and your video should be good to go. The 7 day thing applies to counter-claims and escalation, not standart disputes, so 30+7 days(x*), but not months of just waiting.

    I initially uploaded it on March 30th, 2021. YouTube still shows that as the upload date for the video, and I'm stuck on my phone at the moment, so I'll look to see if I can find a date for the claim updates later to sate my own curiosity, but that's recent enough that I trust my memory of it being months, plural. I got an email about the claim that day, disputed it, got a copyright strike the next day, disputed THAT... And was eventually approved. I don't have another email about that video saying it was approved or dropped or anything, until there was another claim (after apparently a manual review) on February 9th of 2023, resulting in a regional block.

    So maybe it was because I disputed the actual strike and not just the initial claim?

    Not that I'm complaining at you. I'm just surprised. I thought this was typical. Though I was annoyed at YouTube. I thought the video could've done a little better on YouTube than it did in Vimeo if I pointed people there instead, you know? (100-ish on YouTube now vs 30k on Vimeo those months earlier. But it was a timely video.)

    But thanks for the insight. I appreciate it.

  • That would defeat the entire purpose of sensationalist headlines and blowing up a Google search as a "deep investigation" which is this channel's main source of attention.

    They want the clicks on YouTube. Moving to PeerTube would be great if they just wanted the information to be out there, but that's not their primary concern.

    Undeniably he gets more clicks for this. However, would you deny somebody their own soapbox when they're getting fucked by the system? He is using his leverage to call out the bullshit DMCA system that YouTube has in place which allows anybody to fuck with anybody. And in this case he's bringing to light a giant Goliath of a company Bloomberg for fucking with his few person team, and for YouTube for making it the default.