I'm never going back to Matrix - Terence Eden
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I was in the Cinny room at one point and it got spammed with CSAM at one point. It was traumatic.
Same with the blahaj.zone room for 196.
Got so icked I just nuked the account.Still paranoid some of that shit is still cached somewhere on my phone, though I ripped out FC so I should be fine.
Never had a trolling effort make me feel that shitty, I was so excited to talk to the little gay people on my phone and it just felt like my little zone was fuckin ruined by cunts.
Between that, and neat stuff like jmp.chat, I think xmpp might be the move.
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Whoa now, author sees a censoring filter as a most basic feature of a free and open chat infrastructure? It's not a social media client, you know? It was made for closed groups like governments and companies.
I use Fluffychat to talk with family and friends and for that it's good.
Edit: ok, looks like spam really is a problem.
I mean, one compromised account leading to a massive influx of spam is a legitimate concern.
You can’t always assume “happy path”.
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Whoa now, author sees a censoring filter as a most basic feature of a free and open chat infrastructure? It's not a social media client, you know? It was made for closed groups like governments and companies.
I use Fluffychat to talk with family and friends and for that it's good.
Edit: ok, looks like spam really is a problem.
After seeing the screenshot they posted of the barrage of notifications they received with repulsive group names/messages I can't say I blame them.
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I just deleted FluffyChat client since I got random invites to horrible named rooms. I’m sticking with Discord for now since I play Splatoon
Yes! Another Splatoon player on the Fediverse! I've seen like 2. Tbh I barely play the game after the Final Fest but, still love the series.
Also yeah wish Matrix and SimpleX didn't suck, they have some awful groups
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Seeing lots of dislike for Matrix lately. Hosted a Synapse server for many years, never had issues with encryption keys, but have to agree that Element the company (formerly Vector, but they now control the protocol too?) rolls out more new things than they fix old ones. E.g: Element X is slower and calls are not backwards compatible (!). Synapse server keeps getting some (corporate-looking) auth stuff added while on-boarding and registration for plain accounts on self-hosted servers is still a pain. To give them credit, Element app is consistent across platforms (for purposes of convincing people and troubleshooting), and bridges work pretty well.
But it seems any self-hosted solution has its can of worms.
XMPP, being old, implements all modern-expected functionality as extensions, and servers are not guaranteed to have them (common argument). Spam was an issue as well (but simplicity of the on-device and server database allows easy message and attachment deletions). iOS clients for XMPP are meh and require integration with Apple push servers (Snikket and Monal do that, but for how long?)
Tried SimpleX years ago, loved the idea, but it was going through growing pains. In the same vein as metadata leaks for Matrix and XMPP, if you host your own SMP server with a few users, that exposes some info vs using default servers (along with thousands users)
I think the corporate stuff is added because of the French, German and Dutch governments joining the crew. They are using matrix for government employees. It's integrated in La Suite and Open Desk.
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Matrix is commonly used for public, discoverable rooms, much like IRC or Discord. Perhaps it's not good for that use case, but the author seems to wish it was.
An effective spam prevention approach is a basic feature of any public communication service that reaches a certain size. Perhaps keyword filtering as the author suggests isn't the right approach, but some rate limits would help:
- Private messages from a new contact could notify just once until approved instead of once per message.
- Servers could limit the number of outstanding message requests, with a low limit for new accounts.
Or something like a "permission to send broadcast messages" the room owner needs to grant you?
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Yes! Another Splatoon player on the Fediverse! I've seen like 2. Tbh I barely play the game after the Final Fest but, still love the series.
Also yeah wish Matrix and SimpleX didn't suck, they have some awful groups
There's me too!!! I would only buy a switch 2 for splat 4, maybe raiders
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I was in the Cinny room at one point and it got spammed with CSAM at one point. It was traumatic.
That happened to both my home server and the OpenSUSE rooms at different times. My home server took it seriously, and quickly made changes to prevent it from happening again, but I still had 20+ invitations with pedo images to delete one by one.
I suggested to the dev of the nheko client that they add some way to deal with spam invites, and they didn't see any necessity for that. Just told me to delete them one by one.
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Yes you're missing a lot. SimpleX even has a directory bot to find public group chats.
SimpleX public rooms work smoothly, IMO, but a lot of rooms have problems with casual Nazism and general rudeness. Some are more moderated than others. I gave up on groups eventually and just use it to talk to people I know.
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SimpleX public rooms work smoothly, IMO, but a lot of rooms have problems with casual Nazism and general rudeness. Some are more moderated than others. I gave up on groups eventually and just use it to talk to people I know.
I don't see how that's a SimpleX problem. People like that are obviously going to gravitate to "free" platforms where they're free to be shitheads. There's no administrative oversight. That's what you want.
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I assessed Matrix a few years ago and came to the same conclusion. I went with IRC3 which is a new standard that overcomes most of IRC's issues. I think IRC is still quite good, and actually has working clients for everything, web etc
As someone whos familiar with irc, where do I start with irc3? Will I have to learn a new client?
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I have moved my communications to SimpleX for very similar reasons.
I always found Matrix to be extremely clunky because of key management for rooms and stuff like that.
I'm used to using cryptocurrencies. I know how to manage keys, and yet I was constantly getting hit with the same issues with decryption of old messages, even when I properly saved my keys and imported them.
I figure if I'm not even able to use this thing properly, knowing and understanding technology, how do I expect people I talk to to understand how to do it properly?
Then, on top of that, I found out about all the metadata leaking to your home server. Sure, your communications might be encrypted, but if the sender, receiver, reactions, timestamp, etc. is not encrypted, that's not good.
I still have it on my device, but it very rarely gets opened anymore.
Edit: I use a combination of signal for those I know, IRL, and simplex for groups of FOSS enthusiasts, etc.
Do you have any tips for others looking to move their matrix/irc activity over to simplex?
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We moved our instance Matrix to Zulip. It is much better now and makes peoples talk way more than on Matrix.
May I ask why Zulip was selected over others like xmpp or irc? I'm just generally curious about zulip's potential advantages in the long-term
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Do you have any tips for others looking to move their matrix/irc activity over to simplex?
Make sure to back up the simplex database and database password.
Unlike Matrix, SimpleX saves all the decryption data in the database and saves the database to your device.
As long as you have the password for it and the database file, you will be fine. Lose either and you're absolutely fucked.
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May I ask why Zulip was selected over others like xmpp or irc? I'm just generally curious about zulip's potential advantages in the long-term
If I remember correctly it was for the structural organization. Creating channels and topics, marking them done and stuff like that.
A kind of open Slack, more designed for projects or companies organized comms rather than just chatting.
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