Apparently Debian has alienated the developers
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I will never understand why people think FOSS is or should be apolitical.
FOSS has always been political. It's literally never existed in any other way.
Yes, FOSS has always been political, just not the politics Debian dipped itself.
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We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.
I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.
MY OPINION:
"Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.
open-source supporter and any level of rightwing is self-contradicting
Nothing surprises me since the YouTube distrotube uploaded a video with his rifle saying that "if you support free software you should support gun rights"
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We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.
I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.
MY OPINION:
"Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.
I was about to watch when I realized who it was. To be honest, many of the Linux YouTubers have turned me off for different reasons, but I never enjoyed this guy's videos and I'm not the only one...
I guess I should watch this to give a decent opinion. Other distros are just as political and decisions reflect their stance (like how Alpine doesn't include Xlibre for reasons). As it stands, I'm fine with that.
I am unaware of the particularities surrounding the Debian situation, so I'll still need to play catch up.
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open-source supporter and any level of rightwing is self-contradicting
Nothing surprises me since the YouTube distrotube uploaded a video with his rifle saying that "if you support free software you should support gun rights"
When will these people understand that Gun-Control doesn't mean people won't be able to own guns
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I will never understand why people think FOSS is or should be apolitical.
FOSS has always been political. It's literally never existed in any other way.
Like being neutral is also a political stance. FOSS can never be apolitical
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I was about to watch when I realized who it was. To be honest, many of the Linux YouTubers have turned me off for different reasons, but I never enjoyed this guy's videos and I'm not the only one...
I guess I should watch this to give a decent opinion. Other distros are just as political and decisions reflect their stance (like how Alpine doesn't include Xlibre for reasons). As it stands, I'm fine with that.
I am unaware of the particularities surrounding the Debian situation, so I'll still need to play catch up.
Trafotin is also not a trust-worthy source to use. This is the same guy that berates forking & attacked Debian & gives horrible privacy & security advices & censors dissent.
There's a reason his co-ordinated attack didn't work. But he is right about STL.
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When will these people understand that Gun-Control doesn't mean people won't be able to own guns
They don't really understand anything because they don't really think. They just repeat what they're told while convincing themselves its an independent thought that appeared in their head as if by magic. These are the people outsourcing most of their thinking these days to ChatGPT, because it's not something they've ever really valued or been interested in doing themselves. Life's a lot easier when you don't have to think about much. They're "doers" not "thinkers". And frankly, it shows. We see an awful lot of stuff getting done right now, and very little thinking.
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Trafotin is also not a trust-worthy source to use. This is the same guy that berates forking & attacked Debian & gives horrible privacy & security advices & censors dissent.
There's a reason his co-ordinated attack didn't work. But he is right about STL.
Oh for sure, they can be aggravating but I haven't watched any of their vids in over a year. I wouldn't take their advice the same as how I wouldn't want anyone to take my advice. Just because someone says they work in IT doesn't mean they do, right? I used to work in a pharmacy and people would ask me for medical advice when they saw me in town, but I didn't work in the dispensary. I knew the answer to their question, but I was not going to risk it.
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The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.
Can you elaborate on this, or point me to where I can read about it? Getting away from AI was a part of the reason I ditched Windows
You can read more about it here: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-More-Newcomers-LLMs
They also seem to have voted on this subject back in may, but I don't know how to find the results: https://www.debian.org/vote/2025/vote_002#secondsa
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We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.
I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.
MY OPINION:
"Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted.<br>
This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.
Oh man, I'm a bit late to the party here.
He really believes the far-right Trump propaganda, and doesn't understand what diversity programs do. It's not a war between white men an all the other groups of people... It's just that is has proven to be difficult to for example write a menstrual tracker with a 99.9% male developer base. It's just super difficult to them to judge how that's going to be used in real-world scenarios and what some specific challenges and nice features are. That's why you listen to minority opinions, to deliver a product that caters to all people. And these minority opinions are notoriously difficult to attract. That's why we do programs for that. They are task-forces to address things aside from what's mainstream and popular. It'll also benefit straight white men. Liteally everyone because it makes Linux into a product that does more than just whatever is popular as of today. Same thing applies to putting effort into screen readers and disabled people and whatever other minorities need.
If he just wants what is majority, I'd recommend installing Windows to him. Because that's where we're headed with this. That's the popular choice, at least on the desktop. That's what you're supposed to use if you dislike niche.
Also his hubris... Says Debian should be free from politics. And the very next sentence he talks his politics and wants to shove his Trump anti-DEI politics into Debian.... Yeah, sure dude.
