I guess it’s their “pay for ads” tier which sounds fucking stupid to me.

I remember when YouTube Music first came out it was pretty much just the audio from the videos in the most atrocious quality. Has it changed since then?

YouTube music is better than music on youtube, particularly for people with slow or capped internet.

It's Premium, but not really.

How? I use my phone for internet and don't have any issues.

Isn’t this because the music industry insisted on taking a cut of all YouTube shorts revenue? Like even if their songs aren’t getting played, they still rake in money from views.

You're not necessarily streaming video on YT music, just audio.

No, it's worse. With a cable DVR you can skip all commercials.

Premium Sike.

Or, and hear me out: just install a browser plugin and forget ads exist.

I hesitate to name extensions names, but I’ve literally never seen an ad on YouTube.

These companies don’t respect us, so I don’t feel the need to respect them by allowing them to force their meaningless bullshit down my throat.

I don’t use it that much, but you better believe if I go to YouTube to watch a video, that video is the only thing I’m watching.

I feel like youtube is losing sight of why users are paying for the service then.

To me, personally, youtube is useful enough that I will keep paying to remove ads entirely (in combination with ublock). That being said, there will come a time when the value proposition is no longer balanced. Then I will stop paying, and probably stop using it as well.

But as always with Google, I question whether their motive is to kill another service. They're very competent at that specific thing.

They just want users who are paying full freight as they know the ad business is in step decline.

Newpipe is all I have. I signed up for a couple creators patreon to support those I really like. Fuck Google. They are here for the investors bottom line not our shit. But people just want their shit and it perpetuates this behavior. My friend said he pays to support the creators he likes. He supports the giant corporation holding these creators ransom. Just send them money directly. Use new pipe or whatever. Quit supporting this shit and let the whole thing die until we realize there has to be a better way.

DVR is the equivalent of having a yt-dlp frontend that includes SponsorBlock.

Revanced, newpipe, grayjay, it's all I need thank you.

In the time it takes for a video to even show up, I can have a song playing with a playlist behind it. One video is the same amount of data as many songs.

My phone is my home internet and is often under 100KB/s, even at 240p YouTube takes way longer than YouTube music.

Before this change it was with ads for music content.

Moderately, it's still not as good as Play Music it replaced, and frankly the only reason I use it is because it comes with Premium (and Lite gets ads so fuck that deal), otherwise I'd subscribe to something else for music (aside from growing my album collection on Bandcamp).

Firefox + ublock origin + sponsorblock and I haven't seen an ad on youtube in all the years since I started that combo.

Youtube Music is pretty much just youtube with a different UI - the videos are the same. The audio quality is whatever's uploaded, so it'll vary a lot song to song.