If the government owns every company, maybe you have communism, but most likely what you have is autocracy. If the government owns a 10% stake of one company, that's some nationalisation. There are good reasons for it in capitalism, such as for regulating natural monopolies. I'm not sure Intel falls into "good reasons,' since it appears to me to be some kind of corruption.

10% for now. Trump always changes his mind.
One company for now. Except the 15% tax that exists only on Nvidia. 15% for now. Trump always changes his mind.

Broken record: if Biden or Obama did this the same MAGA people making excuses would be decrying this government overreach. And what happens when Trump isn't in office anymore? When a Dem embraces and extends this governor power grab?

Are you in favor of this?

In favour of what

Defense contracting.

They do a a good amount of of military industrial contracting and work for 3 letter agencies on data processing/ high performance computing.

They also got awarded government funding in 2024 to build logic chips for the military in-country.

Not enough to sustain the company, but such "sensitive" programs may not be allowed to show up in revenue reports or have to be assigned to other areas or so.

Athlon64 x2s fucking dominated Pentiums back in the mid 2000s, but the market for people playing games was much smaller. Only with the i-series did Intel come back on top. Ryzen was great when it came out for budget gaming, but Intel still was supreme in perforce until the Ryzen 3D processors came out.

The government holding ownership stakes in companies. If so, have you been in favor for a long time or did it start this week?
Because I'm focusing on the people that just recently adopted this position after years of opposition to anything that even smelled like government interfering with business.

I agree with everything you said. But none of it is a rebuttal to what I said

Apple doesn't really exist as a competitor for a number of industries and use cases due to not officially supporting anything other than OSX so I'm not sure if they're a fair comparison here.

The only real edge they have is in non-gaming related consumer workloads.

Ars is making a mountain out of a molehill.

James McRitchie

Kristin Hull

These are literal activists investors known for taking such stances. It would be weird if they didn't.

a company that's not in crisis

Intel is literally circling the drain. It doesn't look like it on paper, but the fab/chip design business is so long term that if they don't get on track, they're basically toast. And they're also important to the military.

Intel stock is up, short term and YTD. CNBC was ooing and aahing over it today. Intel is not facing major investor backlash.

Of course there are blatant issues, like:

However, the US can vote "as it wishes," Intel reported, and experts suggested to Reuters that regulations may be needed to "limit government opportunities for abuses such as insider trading."

And we all know they're going to insider trade the heck out of it, openly, and no one is going to stop them. Not to speak of the awful precedent this sets.

But the sentiment (not the way the admin went about it) is not a bad idea. Government ties/history mixed with private enterprise are why TSMC and Samsung Foundry are where they are today, and their bowed-out competitors are not.

I never took a stance on it.

Examples of federal Crown corporations include:
the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
Canada Post

These are fine, fairly high quality in terms of service. And I guess in general these two having revenue streams and self funding mean that I don't pay taxes to run a national broadcaster and our postal service.

I would rather not have junk mail or advertisements in our public broadcasts. I would have to look at numbers to say whether the taxes are a worthwhile trade-off.

I do not want news or mail to only have corporate owned options, because then capitalist interests would have a much heavier influence on communications is Canada. I wish we had a national crown ISP, for the same reason.

In Canada, state-owned corporations are referred to as Crown corporations, indicating that an organization is established by law, owned by the sovereign (either in right of Canada or a province), and overseen by parliament and cabinet.

Then you aren't my target audience.
Canadians are very different from USA Republicans who have a long and loud history on this topic and then flipped in one day to say it's okay to have a little communism as a treat.

We don’t need competition in the x86 space, we need competition in the mobile/desktop/server space. That could easily be performance competitive ARM or RISC-v or whatever. Better even with diversity of design.

Well yeah sure, it's just a little histrionic to call all government owned businesses communism. They aren't enforcing a monopoly on chip fab or anything.

Trump tries to ban AMD then sure, it's communism and would be super weird.

How is this legal?

the person above said:

anyone i know over the last 15 years has been exclusively getting AMD

that is 100% nonsense. as stated above even today intel is still outselling AMD 2:1 in the PC market.

Oh I agree with you, but in my experience the people i know have predominately gone AMD as well. When I bought my 9900k, Reddit was HEAVILY downvoting any Intel support and upvoting AMD support. It doesn’t reflect the market, it I do see that in social trends.

…that said, while my 9900k still kicks ass, I am never going Intel again after recent news hahaha

I really feel like we are talking past each other.
I'm talking about people who wanted to privatize the Social Security system and sell off the USPS because they believed any amount of government in any service was dangerous. I'm not being histrionic, I'm asking the people who have spent decades being histrionic to explain why they are suddenly very chill with something that was, until a week ago, a firmly held religious belief.

Don't mistake my position for that of the people I'm trying to reach.

Also how is not socialism? Imagine the wailing from Repugnants if the Democrats did this.

Yeah I get it now, those kinds of folks don't know the difference

We could redo that one pawnstars meme