“It's not in front of my face, so it doesn't exists!”

That's literally the thinking abilities of a toddler. Wireless chargers sell like hotcakes. MagSafe charger is Apple's most popular accessory in their entire history.

But they won’t sacrifice AxB customers to satisfy B customers.

That's the kicker. Adding a headphone jack doesn't mean they have to sacrifice something. They can just do it without having to remove/reduce anything. If adding a jack was really that difficult, something like what you can see in this video wouldn't be possible.

You have to preeeety gullible to believe their reasons for not adding it. The only reason was that they wanted to sell their bluetooth earbuds, that's it.

Or there wasn't good enough engineering to begin with to achieve usb 3 speeds. Seems like they should have got it right before using it as a reason to cripple the thing further.

Thanks for the link. I can't necessarily agree that it's low impact, transferring files at 2.0 speeds is brutal.

You know you’ve got not argument when you have to compare a $700 dollar phone to a $5 dongle for your argument to even make sense.

Oh, so I should buy $100 dongles then? lol Everyone's argument about the dongles is that they're super cheap, that's why I made the comparison.

In those phones the DAC is used primarily for phone calls.

Oh really? And how exactly do you think that the phone is generating the audio that comes through its speaker when you're doing anything else? Like listening to music, videos, etc? Does your phone really not make a single sound apart from the audio in phone calls?

I wasn’t talking about some cheap $5 dongle, I specifically said quality headphones

headphone =/= dongle

The dongle is what you connect TO the headphone. Regardless, be more specific then. What's the one you recommend? Should I buy $50 dongles then and keep them attached to my headphones? Since I use 4/5 of them does that mean that it's ok in your opinion that I now need to spend $250 in dongles instead of just having a tiny, cheap, reliable jack on my $700 phone?

If you ask people what they want, they will tell you they want a phone that has 15 inch screen that looks perfect under the sunlight. But also fits into their pocket. And it has to have a battery that lasts a week, but it must not weight anything at all. But also has to play all the highly graphical games, and also have a professional level camera. It must do so and also last forever and be indestructible.

That phone obviously can't exist, and a lot of what people want are things that oppose each other from the engineering pov. That's the point of surveys and market analysis. You don't just look at what people say, you look at what they do, what they actually buy.

It is true that the other side of marketing is convincing people that what the company is offering is what they would also want to buy. But it is never a guarantee. I mean, look at the Samsung Edge flop. Marketing is not magic, you can't brainwash 100 million people to buy something they don't want. Marketing is marrying what the company wants to do in terms of cost cutting and profit maxing, with what the market is actually willing to buy. If people keep buying slop, they will keep selling slop, and they will keep marketing slop to people to convince them they want the slop. To break the circle someone has to stop, and it won't be the corporations.

Well, technically no phones are made in the US. I think you're talking about selling phones there. Regardless, you might have poor short term memory because they only pulled out of the US phone market (which is pretty crappy) a little over a year ago I believe.

I would never go with Samsung as a conscious choice for custom ROMs, mostly because all well-supported devices are pretty old, which means lower chance of getting something in a decent state for a reasonable price used, that wouldn't require immediately swapping the battery already. Not to mention the Knox eFuse which means losing functionality when flashing a custom ROM. I'd argue a used Pixel is a better option, the 7 Pro can be had for relatively little money and is still a good phone.

I also found out a few other things that have changed:

• They now use Torx T5 screws
• The backcover and battery are now fixed with these screws
• The battery uses a dedicated connector
• Parts of the backcover now require a pick
• SIM/SD now sit at the bottom in a dedicated slot and don't require the removal of the backcover.
• The volume buttons got replaced by the "moments" button and are now on the left

IMHO this is kind of a downgrade in repairability as you now need custom tools (not everyone has a T5 screwdriver at home).
Moving the volume buttons to the other side is also kind of weird and unexpected as most (non Apple) phones have them on the right...

Phone thickness is far from the only consideration. But Ok, you are right. There was space on the iPhone 7. That was also the first water resistant phone. Does this guy phone's is still IP67 compliant after all the surgery he made. And that was in 2016, when IP67 headphone jacks didn't exist. Now the phone standard is IP68. There were no IP68 compliant headphone jacks until recently, I think the ASUS Zenfone 12 is the first one.

I think companies won't bring the headphone jack (a shame, really). But the writing is in the wall, it went away, and phones still sold like hotcakes. While those with headphone jacks aren't being bought anywhere near the same volume. So the signal is very clear, the effort to add a headphone jack — however little it may be — is not financially worth it. It is a feature that doesn't drive sales. Period.

Use for all your old usb 2 ables lol

Yeah pixels are definitely the best but they're expensive and not as accessible globally.

Lol nooooo, I've been trying to get rid of all mine! Of course since I'm an IT guy that really just means they go to the box of bygone cabling standards, but still. I want them out of my active cable stash lol

Tried that. Gets lost real fast. But thanks "freedom advocate".

You’re going to plug in multiple headsets to your phone in regularly? You can’t just have a cheap dongle on those headsets’ cables?

Funny how almost everyone in here saying they need the 3.5mm jack also just happens to have a dozen pairs of headphones they use every day lol.

Tried taking better care of your things? I’ve still got mine that came with my pixel 3 and my iPhone 11 Pro.

And no one except a vocal minority want to keep it. There are a lot on data on that,

I would love to see the data that says everyone wants wired devices only. I don't believe you.

don't want a port I have no use for.

Why would you even care!?

I don't want the extra weight that comes with them.

Buddy if you don't want extra weight you need to talk to these OEMs about making their phones out of giant slabs of glass. A 1g connector isn't going to make a difference. You're being completely ridiculous.

My needs conflict with yours,

No they don't. They can meet both of our needs by including a jack. Simple as.

Okay so now this is my fault. Do you know how many adapters I lost before I needed one?

Which brand of adpater did you get? If you got a generic one then a bad DAC and durability aren't surprises.

I'm voluntarily exagerating my point here for irony sake.

My needs isn't more important than anyone else, but I wanted to point out the selfishness of the oposite point of view by making mine as selfish.
Those in favor of keeping a jack port voluntarily choose to ignore any alternative, while trying to force their need on other people.

But it is true I do not want that port back. It is redundant, has no advantages over a dongle, and it inconveniences could easily be overcome by simply adding a second usb-c port. No need for internal DAC, you'd be able to do far more than you'll ever be able to do with a 3.5mm jack, and you'll be able to charge it while listening to your music with a wired headphone. All that with a smaller and more flexible port.

And it would take you 5min searching the web to get good review about usbc DAC with actually good sound, even better than any internal DAC.

But to save you a click, you have the Apple one, which has good review while being able to drive almost all headphones but the most energy intensive of them. It cost a whopping... $10.

As for the precise number, you can find them on market studies. Unfortunately they are quite pricy, and as I'm not in that field, I do not have access to them. But Fairphone does, and if they don't bother adding that port back, they are most probably basing their decision on them.