The cheap phones are cheap because they lack other features, not because a headphone jack makes them cheaper.

I don't want to drag this conversation into American politics, but I will say ICE has been doing things against USA law. Things are not great here. Even noncitizens have rights that need to be respected, and ICE is failing to do that. They have also arrested lawful residents, citizens too, in their sweeps.

The ICE tracker app is a protest app/ direct action sort of thing, not a tool for criminality. Surely you can see the value of being able to use technology to resist a tyrannical government?

By the way, do you want the USA government to potentially control which software can be installed on your phone? Google is an American company. USA courts could decide (international company) is violating (American IP law or something else) and instruct Google to disallow their app from being installed entirely.

They can pull apps off the app store now, and they do that, but currently you can still side load stuff.

Replaceable batteries are superior, cope

Yes, they are. Glad you're finally on board the "batteries beat wires" train. Choo choo.

replaceable batteries, dumbass

I can't even follow your arguments anymore.

As a user, I want as many options as possible, but if I can get a phone that's $100 cheaper because it doesn't have a headphone port, I'll definitely choose that option.

You're the one that implied headphone jacks add cost to phones. I'm saying that they don't, and whatever cost they do add is minuscule. The implication that any cost savings is being passed to you is laughable.

Look, they killed the jack because they could save a couple bucks of design time and get a few cubic millimeters of space, but most importantly they could softly force their users to buy wireless headphones (maybe even the ones they sell and bundle?!). The former outcomes being happy accidents in order push the latter. It's win win for them, and lose for the customer.

They know that their price concious customers are still using wired headphone and unlikely to take them up on their bundle, so they keep including it there. The affluent ones are the ones with cash to burn and little care for this issue. I get you like BT headphones, so do I, but there's simply no good defense for the 3.5mm removal other than shilling.

If the ICE app is breaking the law, and ICE itself is breaking the law, two wrongs don't make 1 right. There are legal ways to protest.

Like I said, earlier if you aren't breaking the law then if someone asks you to ID yourself
, what's your fear? Loss of privacy?

You can't use privacy to hide the act of breaking a law.

Unless you're a developer it doesn't affect you anyway, you can still sideload apps. You just can't use a public highway like the internet to break the law and expect nothing to happen. I know it's not what any of you want to hear.

Attach some dangling USB modem with a data SIM, or just keep a mobile router with a data SIM in your backpack, for 3G/4G/5G data connectivity over WiFi. Then, use some VoIP provider if you actually need a phone number as well.

You need an ID for those activities because it is required by law. Apples and oranges. Your argument is a logical fallacy of false equivalency.

A government dictating what you can and cannot do by law is a completely different thing than some random company telling you what you can and can't do with a device you own.

And again, if you're uncomfortable with that - then you still have the option of only downloading apps via the play store where identities are already verified.

So again, it's the gay marriage argument - do you support the freedom of others to do something you may not want to do? Or would you rather restrict others freedom when it doesn't effect you? If it's the latter, then I think you're an objectively bad person.

Owning device is not the same as owning the right to the software that runs on it. Google is well within their rights to say if you want to code on android, show us your ID, it's not your ethical right to do as you wish with someone else's software. There may or may not be a valid reason (ie. Too many suspicious apps that have no ownership). You need a license to drive on a public road owned by government , you need a license to code on Google's Android . I can open up a restaurant that serves no alcohol and request people for ID when they walk in because it's my right. No law that says you show me your ID but there's also no law that says I have to let you in.

Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily

Sure you can. Just unplug the headphones.

And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world?

You're either trolling or you've never used wired headphones. Playback stops automatically when you unplug a wired headphone. It's the same thing when you disconnect a bluetooth headphone.

You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise?

Wtf? Lol. If you're kitchen is that loud, something's wrong with it.

or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?

Yeah, you're either trolling or a very special kind of person.

Tbh I'm not even sure the app is breaking any laws at all. Reporting on the presence of law enforcement is (not always but sometimes) protected speech here. I don't use the app, and I haven't heard that they are trying to arrest anyone in regards to it.

Honestly though... Have you thought through everything you're saying? Sheltering Jewish people during the holocaust was illegal in Germany.

Anyway, have a nice day, those are my thoughts.

I'm not a lawyer , but common sense dictates if you are going to make an app that's possibly illegal, you won't do it unless you are satisfied that it is legal. As far as comparing the sheltering of Jews illegally who were facing extermination and people who entered a country illegally is like saying I broke all the speed limit rules to attend an exam because I saw a person doing the same for a valid emergency. I'm not saying what Trump is doing is right at all, it's reprehensible, but don't try to equate it with the attempt to delete Jews from existence. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous .

We're just not gonna see eye to eye on this.

I want privacy and freedom. You want Google to dictate what apps you can use even though it doesn't effect you.

You don't give a shit about people who rely on apps that aren't from the play store. You cant seem to understand why it's bad because it won't effect you. It's selfish

Yes, replaceable batteries!

You're the one that implied headphone jacks add cost to phones.

They do.

I'm saying that they don't, and whatever cost they do add is minuscule.

Ok.

The implication that any cost savings is being passed to you is laughable.

It is, but it isn't a major savings. But, it's hard to know because the pricing of phones isn't very transparent.

Look, they killed the jack because they could save a couple bucks of design time and get a few cubic millimeters of space

Yes....

most importantly they could softly force their users to buy wireless headphones

Why would they care?

Sure you can. Just unplug the headphones.

First you have to stop whatever you're listening to or you start playing it on a speaker for everyone. Doing that is an annoyance that you don't need to put up with if you just use wireless headphones.

Playback stops automatically when you unplug a wired headphone

Maybe it does today, I don't know, I haven't used wired headphones in many years. Back in the day it didn't.

Wtf? Lol. If you're kitchen is that loud, something's wrong with it.

If you are kitchen is quiet, you really should be using the fan to get the smoke and food smells out of the kitchen. Maybe if you're just making pop-tarts then it isn't a big deal, but if you actually ever do any serious cooking you'll discover that it gets loud.

Yeah, you're either trolling or a very special kind of person.

Why are you so scared of the modern world? Is it that you're too confused by it all? Can't handle touchscreens? Scared by https? It's ok man, just take a course. You'll learn to live in the present, not the past.

To be fair, they are now both on the same level. Both now allow sideloading from "trusted" sources, aka developers verified by Apple/Google.

They are both now on the same level. Both iPhone and Android now allow sideloading of apps of "trusted" developers, so developers verified by Google/Apple.

You've put a whole lot of words in my mouth I didn't say. I just don't see it "necessary" as a bad thing, you can still install apps via side loading, but now you can feel comfortable that if you install an app that steals all your passwords you can actually point a finger at who did it and hold them to account. Not that I wish that on anyone.