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Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'". Android users are screwed - Louis Rossmann

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  • probably doesn't have the necessary antennae

    Attach some dangling USB modem with a data SIM, or just keep a mobile router with a data SIM in your backpack, for 3G/4G/5G data connectivity over WiFi. Then, use some VoIP provider if you actually need a phone number as well.

  • I grew up in Czechoslovakia and Australia, more Australia really. There might be a genuine reason why google is doing it or not. Most things require an identity these days. You cant drive without an identity , you can't purchase alcohol without an one, of open a bank account. Where does your privacy feeling stand there I suppose you don't have any of that? I'm actually amazed with so much fraud on the internet governments don't require an ID to open a browser on your PC. Isn't internet like a network of highways really ?

    You need an ID for those activities because it is required by law. Apples and oranges. Your argument is a logical fallacy of false equivalency.

    A government dictating what you can and cannot do by law is a completely different thing than some random company telling you what you can and can't do with a device you own.

    And again, if you're uncomfortable with that - then you still have the option of only downloading apps via the play store where identities are already verified.

    So again, it's the gay marriage argument - do you support the freedom of others to do something you may not want to do? Or would you rather restrict others freedom when it doesn't effect you? If it's the latter, then I think you're an objectively bad person.

  • You need an ID for those activities because it is required by law. Apples and oranges. Your argument is a logical fallacy of false equivalency.

    A government dictating what you can and cannot do by law is a completely different thing than some random company telling you what you can and can't do with a device you own.

    And again, if you're uncomfortable with that - then you still have the option of only downloading apps via the play store where identities are already verified.

    So again, it's the gay marriage argument - do you support the freedom of others to do something you may not want to do? Or would you rather restrict others freedom when it doesn't effect you? If it's the latter, then I think you're an objectively bad person.

    Owning device is not the same as owning the right to the software that runs on it. Google is well within their rights to say if you want to code on android, show us your ID, it's not your ethical right to do as you wish with someone else's software. There may or may not be a valid reason (ie. Too many suspicious apps that have no ownership). You need a license to drive on a public road owned by government , you need a license to code on Google's Android . I can open up a restaurant that serves no alcohol and request people for ID when they walk in because it's my right. No law that says you show me your ID but there's also no law that says I have to let you in.

  • Run the cable through your shirt. Problem solved.

    New problem created. Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily because you have this wire running through your shirt connecting your phone to your headphones. Also, if it's winter, now your phone has to go in an inner pocket not an outer one so you can't easily access it anymore.

    Or you can, I don't know, unplug the headphones for 2 seconds.

    And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world? Well, you could pause what you're listening to first. Don't you see how this is much less convenient than wireless headphones where you don't have to make all these compromises?

    Redundant. Also, put your phone in your pocket and stop whinin'.

    Ah, accept a less convenient alternative because of the limitations of the wires. Sure, sounds great.

    My man, are you allergic to speakers? You're cooking in a kitchen.

    You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise? What's wrong with you. Use headphones, you're in a kitchen!

    Skill issue. Run your wire underneath your jacket and you won't have this """problem""".

    Now you have the other problems with your phone being inside an inner pocket and not easily accessible for doing things like taking pictures or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?

    Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily

    Sure you can. Just unplug the headphones.

    And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world?

    You're either trolling or you've never used wired headphones. Playback stops automatically when you unplug a wired headphone. It's the same thing when you disconnect a bluetooth headphone.

    You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise?

    Wtf? Lol. If you're kitchen is that loud, something's wrong with it.

    or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?

    Yeah, you're either trolling or a very special kind of person.

  • If the ICE app is breaking the law, and ICE itself is breaking the law, two wrongs don't make 1 right. There are legal ways to protest.

    Like I said, earlier if you aren't breaking the law then if someone asks you to ID yourself
    , what's your fear? Loss of privacy?

    You can't use privacy to hide the act of breaking a law.

    Unless you're a developer it doesn't affect you anyway, you can still sideload apps. You just can't use a public highway like the internet to break the law and expect nothing to happen. I know it's not what any of you want to hear.

    Tbh I'm not even sure the app is breaking any laws at all. Reporting on the presence of law enforcement is (not always but sometimes) protected speech here. I don't use the app, and I haven't heard that they are trying to arrest anyone in regards to it.

    Honestly though... Have you thought through everything you're saying? Sheltering Jewish people during the holocaust was illegal in Germany.

    Anyway, have a nice day, those are my thoughts.

  • Tbh I'm not even sure the app is breaking any laws at all. Reporting on the presence of law enforcement is (not always but sometimes) protected speech here. I don't use the app, and I haven't heard that they are trying to arrest anyone in regards to it.

    Honestly though... Have you thought through everything you're saying? Sheltering Jewish people during the holocaust was illegal in Germany.

    Anyway, have a nice day, those are my thoughts.

    I'm not a lawyer , but common sense dictates if you are going to make an app that's possibly illegal, you won't do it unless you are satisfied that it is legal. As far as comparing the sheltering of Jews illegally who were facing extermination and people who entered a country illegally is like saying I broke all the speed limit rules to attend an exam because I saw a person doing the same for a valid emergency. I'm not saying what Trump is doing is right at all, it's reprehensible, but don't try to equate it with the attempt to delete Jews from existence. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous .

  • Owning device is not the same as owning the right to the software that runs on it. Google is well within their rights to say if you want to code on android, show us your ID, it's not your ethical right to do as you wish with someone else's software. There may or may not be a valid reason (ie. Too many suspicious apps that have no ownership). You need a license to drive on a public road owned by government , you need a license to code on Google's Android . I can open up a restaurant that serves no alcohol and request people for ID when they walk in because it's my right. No law that says you show me your ID but there's also no law that says I have to let you in.

    We're just not gonna see eye to eye on this.

    I want privacy and freedom. You want Google to dictate what apps you can use even though it doesn't effect you.

    You don't give a shit about people who rely on apps that aren't from the play store. You cant seem to understand why it's bad because it won't effect you. It's selfish

  • replaceable batteries, dumbass

    Yes, replaceable batteries!

  • I can't even follow your arguments anymore.

    As a user, I want as many options as possible, but if I can get a phone that's $100 cheaper because it doesn't have a headphone port, I'll definitely choose that option.

    You're the one that implied headphone jacks add cost to phones. I'm saying that they don't, and whatever cost they do add is minuscule. The implication that any cost savings is being passed to you is laughable.

    Look, they killed the jack because they could save a couple bucks of design time and get a few cubic millimeters of space, but most importantly they could softly force their users to buy wireless headphones (maybe even the ones they sell and bundle?!). The former outcomes being happy accidents in order push the latter. It's win win for them, and lose for the customer.

    They know that their price concious customers are still using wired headphone and unlikely to take them up on their bundle, so they keep including it there. The affluent ones are the ones with cash to burn and little care for this issue. I get you like BT headphones, so do I, but there's simply no good defense for the 3.5mm removal other than shilling.

    You're the one that implied headphone jacks add cost to phones.

    They do.

    I'm saying that they don't, and whatever cost they do add is minuscule.

    Ok.

    The implication that any cost savings is being passed to you is laughable.

    It is, but it isn't a major savings. But, it's hard to know because the pricing of phones isn't very transparent.

    Look, they killed the jack because they could save a couple bucks of design time and get a few cubic millimeters of space

    Yes....

    most importantly they could softly force their users to buy wireless headphones

    Why would they care?

  • Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily

    Sure you can. Just unplug the headphones.

    And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world?

    You're either trolling or you've never used wired headphones. Playback stops automatically when you unplug a wired headphone. It's the same thing when you disconnect a bluetooth headphone.

    You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise?

    Wtf? Lol. If you're kitchen is that loud, something's wrong with it.

    or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?

    Yeah, you're either trolling or a very special kind of person.

    Sure you can. Just unplug the headphones.

    First you have to stop whatever you're listening to or you start playing it on a speaker for everyone. Doing that is an annoyance that you don't need to put up with if you just use wireless headphones.

    Playback stops automatically when you unplug a wired headphone

    Maybe it does today, I don't know, I haven't used wired headphones in many years. Back in the day it didn't.

    Wtf? Lol. If you're kitchen is that loud, something's wrong with it.

    If you are kitchen is quiet, you really should be using the fan to get the smoke and food smells out of the kitchen. Maybe if you're just making pop-tarts then it isn't a big deal, but if you actually ever do any serious cooking you'll discover that it gets loud.

    Yeah, you're either trolling or a very special kind of person.

    Why are you so scared of the modern world? Is it that you're too confused by it all? Can't handle touchscreens? Scared by https? It's ok man, just take a course. You'll learn to live in the present, not the past.

  • Apple now allows sideloading of apps and Google is trying to get rid of sideloading.

    What... the Fuck?

    To be fair, they are now both on the same level. Both now allow sideloading from "trusted" sources, aka developers verified by Apple/Google.

  • > be me
    > buy new phone, chose android cause I can install anything on it
    > get free iphone from work
    > sell iphone on ebay cause I can install anything I want on my android
    > google doesnt want me to install anything I want

    Fuck me. I kept the wrong phone.

    They are both now on the same level. Both iPhone and Android now allow sideloading of apps of "trusted" developers, so developers verified by Google/Apple.

  • We're just not gonna see eye to eye on this.

    I want privacy and freedom. You want Google to dictate what apps you can use even though it doesn't effect you.

    You don't give a shit about people who rely on apps that aren't from the play store. You cant seem to understand why it's bad because it won't effect you. It's selfish

    You've put a whole lot of words in my mouth I didn't say. I just don't see it "necessary" as a bad thing, you can still install apps via side loading, but now you can feel comfortable that if you install an app that steals all your passwords you can actually point a finger at who did it and hold them to account. Not that I wish that on anyone.

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    Rational economical actor hypothesis? Nope we're just back 4 centuries at least https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
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    People wonder how the Nazis were able to do the things they did. This is how. Cowards fell in line and obeyed. We're repeating history, and Trump and his allies have only just begun. We're not even seven months into this nightmare. The only thing nec­es­sary for the tri­umph of evil is for good men to do noth­ing.
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    I suspect people (not billionaires) are realising that they can get by with less. And that the planet needs that too. And that working 40+ hours a week isn’t giving people what they really want either. Tbh, I don't think that's the case. If you look at any of the relevant metrics (CO², energy consumption, plastic waste, ...) they only know one direction globally and that's up. I think the actual issues are Russian invasion of Ukraine and associated sanctions on one of the main energy providers of Europe Trump's "trade wars" which make global supply lines unreliable and costs incalculable (global supply chains love nothing more than uncertainty) Uncertainty in regards to China/Taiwan Boomers retiring in western countries, which for the first time since pretty much ever means that the work force is shrinking instead of growing. Economical growth was mostly driven by population growth for the last half century with per-capita productivity staying very close to inflation. Disrupting changes in key industries like cars and energy. The west has been sleeping on may of these developments (e.g. electric cars, batteries, solar) and now China is curbstomping the rest of the world in regards to market share. High key interest rates (which are applied to reduce high inflation due to some of the reason above) reduce demand on financial investments into companies. The low interest rates of the 2010s and also before lead to more investments into companies. With interest going back up, investments dry up. All these changes mean that companies, countries and people in the west have much less free cash available. There’s also the value of money has never been lower either. That's been the case since every. Inflation has always been a thing and with that the value of money is monotonically decreasing. But that doesn't really matter for the whole argument, since the absolute value of money doesn't matter, only the relative value. To put it differently: If you earn €100 and the thing you want to buy costs €10, that is equivalent to if you earn €1000 and the thing you want to buy costing €100. The value of money dropping is only relevant for savings, and if people are saving too much then the economy slows down and jobs are cut, thus some inflation is positive or even required. What is an actual issue is that wages are not increasing at the same rate as the cost of things, but that's not a "value of the money" issue.
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    So jail them on funding those ventures. Thought crimes are a bad thing, no matter who you direct them at.
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    Appreciated, but do you think the authorities want to win the war on drugs?
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    Giving up advancements in science and technology is stagnation. That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting giving up some particular, potential advancements in science and tecnology, which is a whole different kettle of fish and does not imply stagnation. Thinking it’s a good idea to not do anything until people are fed and housed is stagnation. Why do you think that?
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    yea i also were there at a few thousand I think and the content has changed a lot since then.