Degoogled version is €50 more, for whatever reason

"For the amount of space it takes to include a second speaker or second camera it doesn't really make sense when you can just plug in an external one"

You sound like an idiot.

I can buy a phone from HMD that's more repairable, more modular, and has sustainable features.

Fairphone has been a busted flush since they ditched the headphone jack. It's just the most obvious sign amongst many they started making landfill phones.

Yeah, the wireless charging is a no-go for me as well.
I understand that it costs licensing and wastes energy.
But the environmental impact of all the useless/lost cables is also a point,especially when you get your energy fully renewable/self produced.
And in a lot of areas (airline lounges,etc.) it has become widely adopted/the norm.

They could easily have offered a "swap" battery that has a little less capacity but includes wireless charging - give people a fucking choice.

I just want them to be smaller.

I was just hoping a phone like fairphone would give me the option to buy a small module or something to let me do it.

Yes, yes there's adapters .... yes, yes, you don't need to use it ... I understand. I just want it.

I have like a dozen pairs of headphones

Let me expand, as I usually deal with surveys and population feedback. There's loud feedback, and there's statistically significant feedback.

People who want a headphone jack are very loud. They will interject this issue into every feedback opportunity given. They will mention it on the comment sections, forums, q&a sessions, answer their surveys accordingly, etc. That's all fine and their prerogative.

However, when you look at the statistics. They are unfortunately a very tiny minority of the entire population. They are not statistically significant for decision making. They don't have the volume to move sales significantly. This sucks, of course, and I personally wouldn't mind the return of headphone jacks, smaller phones and bigger batteries as a fair trade for thicker phones.

But unfortunately, the vast majority of the market is pre-occupied with other things. The phone screen is too small, the phone weights too much, the phone is too thick, I want to bring my phone to the pool without fear of it breaking, etc. They are not as passionate about it, not like the headphone people are, but they far outnumber them in several orders of magnitude. In the end, if the product doesn't sell, it won't matter how much it was worth to a single passionate person. It will sink the company if it doesn't have mass appeal. Making phones is already an extremely expensive endeavor.

Okay, I'm going to ask... why don't you use wireless?

Edit: some results are in, and the only reasonable answer is better audio quality, although that's probably no longer true. The rest are fairly weak reasons.

Lol'd at the 10m extension cord though, thanks for that one.

The reason for not using a headphone jack is making it simpler for the manufacturer, one less connector to handle which also limits how slim a phone can be.

I'm not saying this is good for the consumer, but there are reasons for integrating the functionality into the USB-C port.

I would totally buy one of these if they were sold in the US. Sadly, last time I checked the newest phone wasn't sold here. So I doubt this one will be.

The adapters are dirt cheap, buy doezen of them

This is the vibe I’m getting from Lemmy lately just angry people shouting at clouds.

You'd ultimately be sacrificing battery size for that Aux jack you hardly use. For most that's not worth it

Okay, I'm going to ask... why don't you use wireless?

Edit: some results are in, and the only reasonable answer is better audio quality, although that's probably no longer true. The rest are fairly weak reasons.

Lol'd at the 10m extension cord though, thanks for that one.

The battery? Mine last at least 8 hours and charge in two.

Let me expand, as I usually deal with surveys and population feedback. There's loud feedback, and there's statistically significant feedback.

People who want a headphone jack are very loud. They will interject this issue into every feedback opportunity given. They will mention it on the comment sections, forums, q&a sessions, answer their surveys accordingly, etc. That's all fine and their prerogative.

However, when you look at the statistics. They are unfortunately a very tiny minority of the entire population. They are not statistically significant for decision making. They don't have the volume to move sales significantly. This sucks, of course, and I personally wouldn't mind the return of headphone jacks, smaller phones and bigger batteries as a fair trade for thicker phones.

But unfortunately, the vast majority of the market is pre-occupied with other things. The phone screen is too small, the phone weights too much, the phone is too thick, I want to bring my phone to the pool without fear of it breaking, etc. They are not as passionate about it, not like the headphone people are, but they far outnumber them in several orders of magnitude. In the end, if the product doesn't sell, it won't matter how much it was worth to a single passionate person. It will sink the company if it doesn't have mass appeal. Making phones is already an extremely expensive endeavor.

You can get good Bluetooth earbuds for under $50 and a USB-C to AUX dongle for under $15.

The average person is fine with Bluetooth earbuds or an adapter, and audiophiles would not find the inbuilt DAC/amp on a phone to be adequate.

Resorting to insults really?

3.5mm Aux takes up a shit load of space to connect 4 analog wires. If a phone has Aux it should at the very least be 2.5mm.

It makes no sense to me why you can't just use an adapter.

More battery > Redundant analog cable most people don't use anyway.

I might be a idiot as you say, but the people at Fairphone don't seem to be because they ditched AUX as they should have

When you drop your Fairphone, you can easily repair it.
Still on my FP4, no need to change, really. Only updated the battery once.