This is nice for Europe I guess, and I want to like the fairphone, but unfortunately it's not viable for me.

Besides basic phone features and the ability to run Android apps I have 3 requirements, 2 of which the fairphone fails at. I need it to be usable in the US on my phone carrier. I need to be able to use Google Pay or another mobile payment alternative (that's accepted in most stores). Finally it needs to have at least a 48 hour battery life.

Fairphone unfortunately doesn't work in the US with most carriers, and the one that kills not only it but all the de-googled phones, it doesn't support mobile payment of any kind. I've done a ton of research trying to find some kind of fix for that second point because I'd gladly use something like GrapheneOS if I could, but every time the answer I come to is it's just not possible.

For the amount of space a earphone jack takes it really doesn't make sense for them to include it, when you can just use a cheap adaptor cable

I would totally buy one of these if they were sold in the US. Sadly, last time I checked the newest phone wasn't sold here. So I doubt this one will be.

If they didn't buy a previous fairphone, you're going to miss all the people who wanted to try it but didn't want a 5 year old phone tech. I imagine most people replace around 3-5 years due to battery degradation, people dropping their phones, or lack of updates

wireless headphones run out of battery, and most seem to have atrocious build quality and battery life.

What about em?

People who want a headphone jack [...] are unfortunately a very tiny minority of the entire population.

People interested in paying more for fair trade materials and repairable phones are also a very tiny minority of the entire population.
Of course I don't have any statistic, but I would guess that the proportion of people wanting a Jack is significantly higher in the group of people interested in buying Fairphone that on the general population.

In my particular case, I'm still using my Fairphone 3, and I'm not buying a Fairphone again unless it has a Jack.

Probably not a popular thing to say on here, but I think you’ve lost the battle for the earphone jack. It probably just requires way too much real estate to be practical on a modern day cell phone.

dang, I just bought FP5.

Degoogled version is €50 more, for whatever reason

"For the amount of space it takes to include a second speaker or second camera it doesn't really make sense when you can just plug in an external one"

You sound like an idiot.

I can buy a phone from HMD that's more repairable, more modular, and has sustainable features.

Fairphone has been a busted flush since they ditched the headphone jack. It's just the most obvious sign amongst many they started making landfill phones.

Yeah, the wireless charging is a no-go for me as well.
I understand that it costs licensing and wastes energy.
But the environmental impact of all the useless/lost cables is also a point,especially when you get your energy fully renewable/self produced.
And in a lot of areas (airline lounges,etc.) it has become widely adopted/the norm.

They could easily have offered a "swap" battery that has a little less capacity but includes wireless charging - give people a fucking choice.

I just want them to be smaller.

I was just hoping a phone like fairphone would give me the option to buy a small module or something to let me do it.

Yes, yes there's adapters .... yes, yes, you don't need to use it ... I understand. I just want it.

I have like a dozen pairs of headphones

Let me expand, as I usually deal with surveys and population feedback. There's loud feedback, and there's statistically significant feedback.

People who want a headphone jack are very loud. They will interject this issue into every feedback opportunity given. They will mention it on the comment sections, forums, q&a sessions, answer their surveys accordingly, etc. That's all fine and their prerogative.

However, when you look at the statistics. They are unfortunately a very tiny minority of the entire population. They are not statistically significant for decision making. They don't have the volume to move sales significantly. This sucks, of course, and I personally wouldn't mind the return of headphone jacks, smaller phones and bigger batteries as a fair trade for thicker phones.

But unfortunately, the vast majority of the market is pre-occupied with other things. The phone screen is too small, the phone weights too much, the phone is too thick, I want to bring my phone to the pool without fear of it breaking, etc. They are not as passionate about it, not like the headphone people are, but they far outnumber them in several orders of magnitude. In the end, if the product doesn't sell, it won't matter how much it was worth to a single passionate person. It will sink the company if it doesn't have mass appeal. Making phones is already an extremely expensive endeavor.

Okay, I'm going to ask... why don't you use wireless?

Edit: some results are in, and the only reasonable answer is better audio quality, although that's probably no longer true. The rest are fairly weak reasons.

Lol'd at the 10m extension cord though, thanks for that one.

The reason for not using a headphone jack is making it simpler for the manufacturer, one less connector to handle which also limits how slim a phone can be.

I'm not saying this is good for the consumer, but there are reasons for integrating the functionality into the USB-C port.

I would totally buy one of these if they were sold in the US. Sadly, last time I checked the newest phone wasn't sold here. So I doubt this one will be.