Me, my friends, my colleagues are the target audience for Model 3/Y's. I drive a Model 3 and some colleagues do as well. Pretty much all of them and myself say the same thing: The cars top the list in terms of value versus price and has the features we want and need, but we will not buy or (company) lease a Tesla (again) due to the nazi in charge. Simple as that.

At this point, people don't even take Tesla's into consideration anymore due to the nazi. So I would say that's far worse than the competition with BYD.

I remember that one getting tested in my hometown.

You are comparing Tesla, a full electric car maker to « Chinese cars » which includes multiple brands and all engine types.
Only one-third of the cars that the Chinese carmakers sold in Europe during the first quarter were electric.

There are 2 types of libertarians.

One group is comprised of people who think the government should basically keep the military going, and handle foreign relations when that doesn't impede private citizens.

The other group is just Republicans who don't like being called Republicans.

The small Renault's are actually more than decent EVs and can be compared to the Hyundai Inster.(With the later being the closest to a "high quality EV for everyone" I have seen. Fantastic car, small, comparable cheap, secure. They need to get a bit cheaper still,but we are getting closer)

If you are filthy rich the Porsches are decent, same goes for some of the BMW. The Nissan Arya is also okayish, so are Mercedes.

But yeah, Korea has the absolute king of the hill atm. I drive an EV6 (pre facelift). And honestly? It's the most "fun" and "comfortable" car I ever had - and I used to have lots of expensive company cars in the past (Audi A4,A5,A6, BMW 5, Volvo), often with "lights and sirens " installed and drove Seat,Skoda,Hyundai, Volvo privately.

None of them were as fun.
None of fhem were as versatile and comfortable.
And funny enough I safe enormous amounts of money.

And all the downsides people worry about?
So far I didn't have any.

Charging? Absolutely no issue - beside the fact that my sparky is shit and I still don't have a home box (but a 200 bucks mobile box off Amazon helps). Even with long distances it's no issue - even in remote locations I had a chance to charge,often easier to find than petrol. And on regular trips it takes as much time to go to the toilet and get me a coffee. Which I would also do with petrol... So in fact I save a few minutes.
Even under these circumstances I pay half compared to what I payed for petrol.

Battery issues? The car is used. So far: Zero degradation. We had it assessed by a professional company recently.

The only two issues it has: Preconditioning is somewhat random (which has been solved with the facelift) and the fact that the drivers profile is not based on the key sucks.

I suspect you know this, and your post is sarcastic. But just in case:

Most cars have their own embedded SIMs nowadays. They're already connected. You can't disconnect them.

Plenty of good European EVs as well. From a Porsche Taycan to a Dacia Spring, a wide selection. Including wagons/combis and vans.

The Japanese also have good ones, especially Nissan. Leaf and Ariya are decent. Honda kinda gave up and Toyota is indeed terrible, even the Lexus line is behind.

Tesla has NEVER been the good quality car. Ever.

Tesla was the techy car. The fast car. The fun car. The virtue signaling car. The convienent car. Lots of things, but they have never been the good quality car.

Exactly the same for me and my circle. I got a model 3 and got at least 3 colleagues and friends to buy one after a test drive.

I won't sell it now because it's still a good car and I would lose a ton of money to replace it with something equivalent, but I put a fuck elon sticker on it, canceled the connectivity, avoid superchargers when possible and no longer recommend it to people.

I'm looking for a second car and used Teslas are crazy value right now but out of principle they are out of the question. Probably will go for a Nissan Leaf, Renault Zoe, VW ID.3 or BMW i3.

They already enshrined "billionaires get all the money" in 2008 when the banks got the bailouts instead of the people

Just give Elon more of some new drug. /s

Buy european? I mean if that's an option.

The mentioned cars are somewhat outdated.

You might also want to consider newer models like Renault 5, Skoda Elroq or Hyundai Ioniq.

I agree until the last part. Democracies have more freedoms allowing for more accurate polling. There is also less fear of consequences for being open. Countries should be able to defend themselves, 5% is a step toward peace. The cold war never became hot because of the investment in defence.

They manufacture everything, they are just people chilling in their country. Say what you will about their form of government but BYD havent invested in hurting people for no reason.

Chinese electric cars are just better. BYD is what Tesla wanted to be, but actually fulfills its promises. Plus it isn't ran by a nazi dictator.

I uh.. you sure about that dictator thing? xi jinping enters the chat

The cold war never became hot

Tell that to the millions of people the west murdered through bombing of Korea, Vietnam or Laos, the millions more murdered though US support of military dictators such as Suharto or Pinochet, or the millions who died through the de-stabilization of their countries such as Mosaddeq's Iran, Guatemala or the outright invasion of Iraq. Ask those people what they think of the west's military expenses over the past century.

Democracies have more freedoms allowing for more accurate polling. There is also less fear of consequences for being open

Literally two days ago Mamdani won the mayoral elections against all polls, polls in the west are heavily manipulated. And literally last week a man was denied entry in the country due to having a picture of bald Vance. I happen to be Spanish, and in our super-democratic state we have literal political prisoners who had to free the country such as Carles Puigdemont due to political persecution and risking their lives in jail. The west is NOT more democratic than China at this point, and the trend is towards openness in China and towards fascism in the west.

It would be nice if there was a way to rip out any questionable software/electric components from modern cars and replace it with something open source.