And anyone that drives cars ever, apparently.

Can you edit that to 'braking', and I'll delete this comment, please? It's breaking my brain.

Don't even get me started on the wild and wonderful design 'features' on modern cars. Fucking hell, they want you to do anything but drive the thing and pay attention to the road.

It's too late, he already broke his car while going around the corner.

And the exact reason that you don't need to buy a truck to transport goods once in a blue moon

That is a weird question.

How do you calculate odds of dying by suicide anyway, wouldn't they be personal?

When am I ever looking at the side and needing to see the other side's turn signal? The best I can think of is (using right side driving) a car turning right into my lane of travel as I'm going straight, but I'll be a bit offset to the left and should be able to see the right headlight. If I can't, that means the car is angled to the right, making it obvious that they're turning.

Haha, funny enough, some BMWs have a feature where the speedometer reads 5 MPH higher than actual vehicle speed. Probably to try cutting down on speeding

It's possible. Red really is only supposed to be on the back to indicate the rear of the vehicle.

It's why on stretches of road where passing in oncoming lanes is legal, they tell you to turn on your headlights (daytime headlights section.) Its so that there is a distinguishing feature between the front and rear of the car.

I cannot stand how in some vehicles if I turn on the signal to indicate I am planning to change lanes, it will beep at me that there is a car there. I'm indicating I plan on it. Not that I'm turning the wheel right this second. I know there is a car to my side, I'm going to change lanes behind it, but am indicating mostly to the car behind them.

< and > for turns. X for brakes.

Honestly, we should focus on functionality rather than aesthetic.

it wouldn't indicate for slight turns only standard turns. Normal turns on the road may engage it but It's meant as a "hey this person is actively turning" or as a "this cars wheel is turned that way" so you know the direction it will go if it started moving

but honestly even if it did, it isn't hard to see "oh that car is on a curve obviously it's not turning"

That doesn't answer the question. The question is how you would design it so you can look at the left side of a car, know that it's turning right and isn't prone to misunderstandings.

Because this is what the discussion is about?

Personally I just want front turn signals to be visible from the opposite side again.

It was similar to: https://www.amazon.com/SoundAlert-Emergency-120-130dB-Hands-Free-Rebroadcast/dp/B08B3BXZ66

I’m not sure what your point is? I never said cars weren’t leading traffic. I think we’ve both kind of lost the plot here but my point was that cars aren’t a requirement to live. If they are in your city or area (outside of rural), then you should advocate for better transit and urban design.

Also note that I never said cars should be outright banned or anything of that sort

I've always hated that. I feel like I'm seeing it less and less on newer vehicles, though, so maybe manufacturers are also realizing that it's stupid as hell.

Or maybe it's just not worth the cost to have two different but mostly identical versions of a very expensive and highly integrated modern taillight housing for different markets.

Well, around here "good drivers" can "read" the bad drivers' intent, and in a setting like a four way stop they can usually avoid getting hit by yielding, regardless of right of way circumstances.

That's actually another good use, a kind of passive turn signal - though if they're really turning you should be able to notice their reduced speed without a light - and drivers who start depending on the front brake light to read intent to turn might actually have more accidents instead of less.

Just yesterday I watched a car pull out into an intersection less than one car-length in front of a car driving straight through the intersection, slowly. I can't know what they were thinking, but I would guess they assumed that the slow car going straight was about to turn, then they quit paying attention and pulled out just in time for the collision to be un-avoidable.

Up and down arrows? Up is away from you and down is towards you.