Front Brake Lights Could Drastically Diminish Road Accident Rates
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/424410
I was having a very hard time seeing any possible benefit of a front brake light, since nobody accident prone ever looks in their mirrors.
I suppose in today's world of automatic transmissions that move the car forward whenever the brakes are released, they might serve some purpose at a four-way stop adding information about immediate intent of the other parties, but even there... that's more of a Darwinian situation where people who get into crashes at four way stops are sorting themselves out from the rest of reasonably competent drivers. If they're going fast enough for injuries at a four way stop, they deserve what they get. If they get a minor fender bender - that's a lesson to read the other traffic better next time.
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Sometimes you see those videos from a dash cam of a truck that hits a bridge, obviously the truck driver was been being inattentive but often so was the recording cars driver. All I can ever think is, "why were you so close behind, it was blindingly obvious that was about to happen", yet to them apparently it wasn't, and now they've got bits of truck roof in their windscreen.
There was an astounding number of people who really cannot drive, and yet they think they're driving safely. They just haven't gotten a crash yet.
Reading all such things I'm starting to think "what if I can drive?" I've always thought I can't, but since everyone around who thinks they can drive like suicide bombers, maybe I should find those driving lessons.
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I was having a very hard time seeing any possible benefit of a front brake light, since nobody accident prone ever looks in their mirrors.
I suppose in today's world of automatic transmissions that move the car forward whenever the brakes are released, they might serve some purpose at a four-way stop adding information about immediate intent of the other parties, but even there... that's more of a Darwinian situation where people who get into crashes at four way stops are sorting themselves out from the rest of reasonably competent drivers. If they're going fast enough for injuries at a four way stop, they deserve what they get. If they get a minor fender bender - that's a lesson to read the other traffic better next time.
Accidents aren't isolated though, they will sort themselves out by hitting good drivers and people.
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Sometimes you see those videos from a dash cam of a truck that hits a bridge, obviously the truck driver was been being inattentive but often so was the recording cars driver. All I can ever think is, "why were you so close behind, it was blindingly obvious that was about to happen", yet to them apparently it wasn't, and now they've got bits of truck roof in their windscreen.
There was an astounding number of people who really cannot drive, and yet they think they're driving safely. They just haven't gotten a crash yet.
Because it wasn't blindingly obvious? I don't know how tall the truck in front of me is, and since I don't drive tall vehicles I know even less about the heights of bridges. Usually commercial drivers are the better ones.
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The combined indicator/brake light thing you guys do is fucking stupid, so there's a precedent.
Agreed. Are they turning, or just braking periodically with a taillight out? Who knows!
I also love the front turn signals that turn off that headlight. Dumb as hell for everyone.
Also, animated signals should be banned. On or off, no flashing, glowing, or sliding.
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I was having a very hard time seeing any possible benefit of a front brake light, since nobody accident prone ever looks in their mirrors.
I suppose in today's world of automatic transmissions that move the car forward whenever the brakes are released, they might serve some purpose at a four-way stop adding information about immediate intent of the other parties, but even there... that's more of a Darwinian situation where people who get into crashes at four way stops are sorting themselves out from the rest of reasonably competent drivers. If they're going fast enough for injuries at a four way stop, they deserve what they get. If they get a minor fender bender - that's a lesson to read the other traffic better next time.
Id love then to know when someone is slowing down to turn when I'm trying to pull out. So few use turn signals, and even those I don't really trust until the car is noticably getting slower.
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I think some cars also turn on the hazards automatically if you really hammer the breaks.
That would serve the same purpose without and extra light, I think they're into something
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Some of the new Kias have the rear indicators in the bumper. Why are they hiding them?
Because the designers and marketers were given priority over the safety engineers.
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The maybe use public transport? If you REALLY need to use buy car - buy one.
Also: families were not mentioned before in this thread.
Is driving around with your partner and 5 kids and a couch a daily occasion?Lol, come here and use our public transport options before you speak. This entire thread is led by those laying wide-reaching proclamations while being unable to consider any situation other than their own.
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Are you by chance from the US? Because other countries have sensible zoning laws and public transit, making cars for families not a necessity but a luxury. Where I live, nobody needs a car. Shopping is done by cargo bike or hand cart, family trips are taken by train or metro.
If you live in a stupid country tho people might depend on cars.
Great, where you live.
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You can pass multiple driving tests, and still be an idiot driver. So many people drive HUA, (Head Up Ass), while thinking they are the best driver on the road that it isn't even funny.
Remember Kiddies, driving should never be viewed as "relaxing" or "enjoyable." It's work, hard work and should be mentally taxing every minute you are on the road.
As someone with ADHD, it is relaxing. And it is super enjoyable. I like thinking about how the weight of my car shifts going around corners. I like trying to be as smooth as possible shifting gears. There is a lot of information and the focus on it all quiets the noise normally in my head.
Leave early enough you aren't stressed about being late.
Just let the asshole aggressive driver in.
Leave more than enough space that you have time to react.
Don't treat it as a competition and it's a pleasurable experience.
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Lol, come here and use our public transport options before you speak. This entire thread is led by those laying wide-reaching proclamations while being unable to consider any situation other than their own.
So the answer would be to advocate for better public transport
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So the answer would be to advocate for better public transport
No, not the answer. I don’t live in New York you clown.
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No, not the answer. I don’t live in New York you clown.
Okay, then advocating for better urban planning and less urban sprawl. Unless you live in a rural area, you shouldn’t be required to go into debt to pay for a multi ton machine to be able to buy food. It’s odd that only in the last hundred years humans have stopped being able to function day to day without vehicles.
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Buses, as implemented in the US, are vehicles of humiliation and mental torture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZkouut-9RQ
How to waste an entire day? Take a bus trip somewhere that you could drive in a private car in 20 minutes.
Or on your motorcycle in 15.
Everyone with the usual compliment of legs should be forced to start on a motorcycle or moped. After 2 years of that we let you graduate to being in a box. Riding a motorcycle will force you to learn how to remain attentive and focused 100% on operating your machine, and when you're finally afforded the luxury of a roof and heat, not having to get rained and snowed on half the year, you'll really appreciate what you've got instead of treating it like the world owes you a car.
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I've never done it, but I wonder if turning on the rear fog lights would work. You're not braking, but they might think you are. I don't know what the legality of that would be
In some places in the world you can give it a shot and see, but we don't have rear fog lights in the US. I've never seen one on any car designed for this market, and my Crosstrek just to name an example has a conspicuous filler panel over the hole where the rear fog light goes on the same model sold in other markets.
As to why, I have no idea. But we also mandate that front fog lights can't be configured so they can be activated without the main headlights on at the same time, which kind of defeats the purpose if you ask me. So maybe asking DOT regulations to make sense is a tall order.
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BMW has implemented this in the US market for the past 20 years or so at least. Under heavy braking, additional brake lights turn on. I believe they call that Brake Force Display. I’m sure they’re not the only manufacturer to do this, too
BMWs need a speeding indication more than a braking one /s
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Okay, then advocating for better urban planning and less urban sprawl. Unless you live in a rural area, you shouldn’t be required to go into debt to pay for a multi ton machine to be able to buy food. It’s odd that only in the last hundred years humans have stopped being able to function day to day without vehicles.
You all talk a big game, but I’ve been to about 20 countries so far in my life. Distributed all over the world. They ALL have traffic led by cars. I guess I haven’t been to Mumbai..
Your assumptions are wrong, and you live in fantasy. Get over it.
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Because the designers and marketers were given priority over the safety engineers.
And anyone that drives cars ever, apparently.
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Clearly it's your fault for both breaking and going around a corner at the same time. Who does that?
Can you edit that to 'braking', and I'll delete this comment, please? It's breaking my brain.
