SEC says it will deregulate cryptocurrencies with 'Project Crypto'
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Genuine question, is crypto good for anything other than gambling at the moment? I don't ever hear of anyone buying anything with crypto, only exchanging it out for USD. NFTs are basically a punchline now... what is it actually good for?
It was great to trade and move value around. You could send to other countries, or do work for it. But Bitcoin fucked it all by basically being a ponzi scheme. People below will talk about it and how it holds or increases in value. Thats because most people are still buying in and hording it. Making it terrible as a currency.
I never bought crypto, I only traded, bartered, worked for it. I never put it on an exchange or used another company. Another sink of value and a stupid place to keep it. But that is the vast majority of people now.
So it is not good for anything anymore. Except speculation and hoping your are not the last holding the bag.
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Well, it should have went to some value from no value. So initial volatility was to be expected.
While the current volatility - I don't know, I guess it's because a transaction is expensive and takes some time. If transactions would cost almost nothing and were almost instantaneous, I'd expect the volatility by now to not be very big. And if there were no premined coins, of course.
And if there were inflation built into the system. BTC proponents boast how it having no such artificial mechanism is good.
They, 1) don't understand that having inflation stabilizes a currency, because there's a stimulus to spend practically and not as part of speculation, 2) don't understand that what they would want to imitate, gold, has inflation too.
So - inflation and cheap and fast transactions are what would make BTC less volatile. It would be a less lucrative speculative asset.
The reason for volatility is that any such concept at scale is subject to just the messiest lump of evolving opinions on everything. It will deflate, inflate, deflate wildly because it's utterly subject to the whims of the people without any mechanism to counter a lack of mass consensus on what 'value' is.
We started noticing as things scaled up, there needed to be some regulatory management to counter the whimsical populace. Hard to fight mass inflation or deflation when you can't do anything to manage the "money supply" to offset panic.
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In a Thursday speech, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) chairman Paul S. Atkins announced “Project Crypto,” an initiative to modernize the country’s securities rules and regulations to move financial markets on-chain.
“Under my leadership, the SEC will not stand idly by and watch innovations develop overseas while our capital markets remain stagnant,” he said at an America First Policy Institute event in Washington D.C. His plan includes measures to reshore crypto businesses that have left the country and to ensure that “archaic rules and regulations do not smother innovation and entrepreneurship in America.”
Unregulated capitalism is tool of fascists
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Fiat currency is controlled by central banks and nation-states. Obviously.
Yeah, because the last time humans tried decentralized money it also caused a ton of problems.
Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency isn't inventing anything new, it's just doing the same old localized bank notes system again, but with computers
Even if crypto had any actual physical value, and solved the stability problems, lack of inflation, etc, it would still end up having control issues, because those already wealthy in a lot of it could manipulate the value easily by simply exchanging it or dumping it.
So basically you'd just end up with the problems of current currencies + all the problems crypto has, which were the same problems localized notes had 200 or so years as well.
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It was great to trade and move value around. You could send to other countries, or do work for it. But Bitcoin fucked it all by basically being a ponzi scheme. People below will talk about it and how it holds or increases in value. Thats because most people are still buying in and hording it. Making it terrible as a currency.
I never bought crypto, I only traded, bartered, worked for it. I never put it on an exchange or used another company. Another sink of value and a stupid place to keep it. But that is the vast majority of people now.
So it is not good for anything anymore. Except speculation and hoping your are not the last holding the bag.
Bitcoin specifically was never meant as a currency. There is a reason why people call it "digital gold". I do find myself hesitant to buy it since people buy it with the goal of getting rich, it ruins the entire point.
In theory I actually love the idea of Bitcoin, something independent of resources. I know that sounds weird, but the moment asteroid mining gets big, traditional money storage will get rocked, hard. While something like Bitcoin, in theory, would be safe.
I see deregulation as generally a bad thing if you want any of this to be taken seriously and not be manipulated. At least, for most of them. In theory you could have a crypto that is very resilient to manipulation, I just don't know if that exists right now.
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Monero is good for completely private and secure transactions. People often use it to buy drugs online... From what I've heard.
Don't a lot of platforms online not let you buy Monero because of this? Like how do people buy Monero through a reputable source?
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Bitcoin specifically was never meant as a currency. There is a reason why people call it "digital gold". I do find myself hesitant to buy it since people buy it with the goal of getting rich, it ruins the entire point.
In theory I actually love the idea of Bitcoin, something independent of resources. I know that sounds weird, but the moment asteroid mining gets big, traditional money storage will get rocked, hard. While something like Bitcoin, in theory, would be safe.
I see deregulation as generally a bad thing if you want any of this to be taken seriously and not be manipulated. At least, for most of them. In theory you could have a crypto that is very resilient to manipulation, I just don't know if that exists right now.
Bitcoin specifically was never meant as a currency.
Sure it was, look at the name of Satoshi's paper: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
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Don't a lot of platforms online not let you buy Monero because of this? Like how do people buy Monero through a reputable source?
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In a Thursday speech, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) chairman Paul S. Atkins announced “Project Crypto,” an initiative to modernize the country’s securities rules and regulations to move financial markets on-chain.
“Under my leadership, the SEC will not stand idly by and watch innovations develop overseas while our capital markets remain stagnant,” he said at an America First Policy Institute event in Washington D.C. His plan includes measures to reshore crypto businesses that have left the country and to ensure that “archaic rules and regulations do not smother innovation and entrepreneurship in America.”
Sure, because of all the things that we could loosen regulations on, CRYPTO should be at the top of the list. After all, we have only people with the most unquestionable integrity involved. /S
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You say that now, but wait for the US economy to completely shit itself.
COVID and the Great Recession were both spectacular for reducing emissions.
I mean, global economy really. Crypto has the potential and already fucked a few banks when it shit itself which could've led to awful bank runs.
If/when it destabilizes the American banking system the entire global economy will follow its lead down, at least a bit.
Like I don't think people understand how devastating letting a scam like this into proper finance can be. Finance itself already has way more latitude than it should- wait until this just splits everything wide open.
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Yeah, because the last time humans tried decentralized money it also caused a ton of problems.
Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency isn't inventing anything new, it's just doing the same old localized bank notes system again, but with computers
Even if crypto had any actual physical value, and solved the stability problems, lack of inflation, etc, it would still end up having control issues, because those already wealthy in a lot of it could manipulate the value easily by simply exchanging it or dumping it.
So basically you'd just end up with the problems of current currencies + all the problems crypto has, which were the same problems localized notes had 200 or so years as well.
Yes, I've remembered my old idea of something like an automated digital barter connected to storage space and computation provided on demand for tokens (every provider an issuer), or something else confirmed by escrow or whatever, after learning that in China 200 years ago people used non-uniform money, that is, all kinds of coins, some literally ancient still in circulation, and somehow that worked.
That wouldn't be as convenient as uniform money as a universal equivalent, but wouldn't have that particular kind of problem, which value manipulation via such globally meaningful action. Simply because there'd be no single variable to manipulate.
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The reason for volatility is that any such concept at scale is subject to just the messiest lump of evolving opinions on everything. It will deflate, inflate, deflate wildly because it's utterly subject to the whims of the people without any mechanism to counter a lack of mass consensus on what 'value' is.
We started noticing as things scaled up, there needed to be some regulatory management to counter the whimsical populace. Hard to fight mass inflation or deflation when you can't do anything to manage the "money supply" to offset panic.
Well, I've thought of a bit of an alternative, but that'd be more like digitally assisted barter with automated haggle and escrows, than like money.
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Yes, I've remembered my old idea of something like an automated digital barter connected to storage space and computation provided on demand for tokens (every provider an issuer), or something else confirmed by escrow or whatever, after learning that in China 200 years ago people used non-uniform money, that is, all kinds of coins, some literally ancient still in circulation, and somehow that worked.
That wouldn't be as convenient as uniform money as a universal equivalent, but wouldn't have that particular kind of problem, which value manipulation via such globally meaningful action. Simply because there'd be no single variable to manipulate.
after learning that in China 200 years ago people used non-uniform money, that is, all kinds of coins, some literally ancient still in circulation, and somehow that worked
I'm talking about valuation pegged paper money, not hard value currency. This old strawman is getting old too.
The coins worked because they were still tangible material with assigned value (ie metals value by weight or marking).
The local bank paper money was different, and pegged to hard value materials (gold standard).
Cryptocurrency works like the second because, like the paper money, crypto doesn't have inherent tangible value (technically even less than paper since it's completely intangible).
It doesn't work like the fucking Chinese coins (which, btw, still relied on a very centralized government existing anyway) because you can't hold or do anything with 0s and 1s, nor can you physically keep it around.
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Don't a lot of platforms online not let you buy Monero because of this? Like how do people buy Monero through a reputable source?
Buy a reputable cryptocurrency then swap that for whatever you want.
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Yes. There are a few legitimate non gambling non crime uses. But those are typically very minor transactions. The problem is that it is somewhat anonymous and not refundable. It turns out that we really do want those features for almost all medium-high price purchases. Otherwise the thieves and scam artists will jack our shit.
[Illicit cryptocurrency transactions experienced a notable decline, representing approximately 0.4 percent of the total transaction volume. ... Scams accounted for 24% of total illicit activity. https://thebarristergroup-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/thebarristergroup.co.uk/blog/insights-from-trm-labs-2025-crypto-crime-report?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&hs_amp=true&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From+%251%24s&aoh=17540763552269&csi=1)
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It's a really good way to bribe politicians and public figures.
It's traceable and immutable. It's a bad way to do anything illegal.
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I mean, global economy really. Crypto has the potential and already fucked a few banks when it shit itself which could've led to awful bank runs.
If/when it destabilizes the American banking system the entire global economy will follow its lead down, at least a bit.
Like I don't think people understand how devastating letting a scam like this into proper finance can be. Finance itself already has way more latitude than it should- wait until this just splits everything wide open.
If/when it destabilizes the American banking system the entire global economy will follow its lead down
One of the nice things Trump has been doing has been decoupling the US domestic market from the global chain. If we can keep ourselves propped up for another couple of years, the collapse will remain contained to ourselves and our immediate allies. I mean, case in point, Russians and Iranians and N. Koreans and Cubans are so sanctioned to shit that they don't really care if the dollar takes a tumble.
Like I don’t think people understand how devastating letting a scam like this into proper finance can be.
2008 was the hard lesson. Too Big To Fail means the scammers are the only ones who walk away from the mess.
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Bitcoin specifically was never meant as a currency.
Sure it was, look at the name of Satoshi's paper: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
Um ackchually by electronic cash they mean like bearer bonds, irreversible but not necessarily usable at all.
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It's traceable and immutable. It's a bad way to do anything illegal.
That's just layer zero on some blockchains.
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Wouldn't it be funny if conservatives actually gave a shit about being blatant hypocrites?
Certainly less depressing at least.
