Then why are you here?

Its really fucking lame to label everyone you don't understand as a "troll/bot".

I don't know how many ways there are to explain that tariffs only impact imported goods. If it's manufactured in the US, there is no tariff. This is, in fact, how tariffs work.

What? Are you putting American chips in these phones manufactured in China? Why would you think they wouldn't be subjected to the chip tariff?

If you manufactured it in the USA there are no tariffs. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Manufactured in the USA = no tariffs. Manufactured outside the USA = tariffs. It's really that simple.

Labor has always been more expensive in the US, that's why tariffs exist.

Still about the Epstein list? Or is it now about the child abuse pastor?

My dude, the chips aren't manufactured in the US. If the tariffs don't apply to the chips that are inherently imported from outside the US since basically only TSMC and Samsung make them at this point, then there is no tariff at all. Companies in the US import the chips, then use the imported chips as part of their products. All the companies in the US do is assemble the imported parts (and sometimes not even that).

EDIT: Ah, there was a miscommunication. I think we're both saying the same thing at this point. Well, mostly the same, since this doesn't really help US companies and just drives up prices for everything.

get that AI bubble a-poppin

offtopic: Maybe that's why a transparent and safe prison system, a bit like what Norway has, would do well for USA. Don't tell me anything about feeding criminals in luxury, because you are spending far more taxpayer money on far more idiotic things. Also rehabilitation is really a big thing.

Luck is also a component in how long Trump lives ; though he's not that old.

OK, I'll say it differently - luck is also a component in how long Putin lives, and that's likely less. When he dies, there's gonna be change. In USA too. In Russia - maybe not for the better immediately, but that will be a power transfer, which hasn't happened since 1999. Even if to someone of his daughters.

I don't subscribe to any of stupid theories of "Kremlin towers' balance", "businessmen vs patriots" and such, but the point stands, and the previous power transfer, from Yeltsin to Putin, despite them being the same faction, changed a lot and fast.

Which could mean some of the blackmail material leaking, or the direction of blackmail changing, or other ties being restructured. Which would pull the rug from many of Russia-aligned parties in the west, and it would be interesting to see whether Democrats or Republicans are affected more, in case of US, and whether local alt-right parties or the orderly centrists in EU are affected more. The common belief is that it's the latter in the US and the former in the EU, but I think we'll be surprised.

Now, Russia is small compared to other parties, but big enough to make waves in case of such an event.

The question comes down to whether a phone with a chip in it is subject to the tariff or just raw chips being imported. No one is putting a US chip in it, because US chips don't exist. The foundries to make them don't exist.

If the assembled phone is subject to a "phone" or "general" tariff at 30% and not the 100% chip tariff then it incentivises manufacturing in china vs the US is what I think the OP is saying.

Why wouldn't the tariff apply to chips already in devices? That's the way its always been discussed.

"...likely pushing up..."

"...likely..."

Of course it will! What kind of reporting is this? "...forcing the price up..." Is the phrase they were looking for.

I watched part of this announcement and he said something I normally don't pick up on

"If they have started to build or have plans to build they don't have to pay the tariff."

Sounds like.jobs.

But what I heard was it was a discount for the oligarchy. Why do you only get a discount if you are in the position to at least pretend to be building a factory?

And then since prices are now double, you get to import and sell at an easy profit.

'muricans are already getting their Brazilian coffee tariffed, which should make lower quality distractions work better

I’m guessing the chip in the finished product would be taxed separately, otherwise it would be trivial to dodge the tariff (just package the chip in a different “finished product” and move it to a US-made product).

You'd guess wrong. Welcome to the wonderful world of tariffs and import/export controls!

I wouldn't call it a trivial dodge because the act of building the tariffed good into another product takes time and resources at the origin side, then again at the destination side to undo the manufacturing steps. However, sometimes its worth it to a company. There are lots of examples of companies doing exactly this.

Ford Transit Connect cargo vans were made in Turkey. Ford wanted to import them to the USA. However, there was a tariff placed on vehicles for commercial use, so Ford installed cheap passengers seats in the back and imported them as passenger vehicles. As soon as the vehicles would arrive onshore in the USA, Ford would rip the cheap seats out, and sell them as commercial vehicles.

This will surely bring manufacturing back to the US /s

Release the Epstein files

To express my anger about this tariff idiocracy.

What do you mean "likely pushing up cost of electronics". That is the literal point of a tariff, to push the prices up and make competing goods more appealing to consumers. The only way it doesnt raise prices is if importers just eat the cost, which they will almost certainly not do and, frankly, shouldn't do.

Yes, but the media is willing to lie for him and whatever form necessary to normalize all this

Every American needs to be forced to learn the components of a supply and demand diagram.