Tough, Tiny, and Totally Repairable: Inside the Framework 12
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Same with my 2017 Thinkpad.
If they release one with a TrackPoint and mouse buttons, I'll upgrade early.
Same; I simply can't use a laptop without mouse buttons.
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Got a Framework 12 and have all sorts of tiny annoying but somewhat manageable problems with it.
It used to overheat and then throttle to 400 Mhz every few seconds on high load. Overheating meaning 100°C. After a long time being annoyed and thinking "did I do something wrong" I reached out to support, and eventually got a new motherboard. It's better since then, but it still gets hot quickly. Also, if I just idle, like maybe a few Browser tabs and that's it, it will get somewhat warm ~65°C and I just don't get it.
For some reason, it sometimes does not find my hard drive on boot. Works the second or third attempt, and is no software problem.
The light detection thing has to be disabled in software to be able to use the brightness buttons.
At the start, my wifi sucked really bad, just on this device.
Having some more ports than just the audio jack and the extension cards would be neat too.
Also, it was really expensive.
So yeah, I sadly wouldn't buy it again, I think. The concept is really neat, but I've had too many annoying little problems. I still do use it as my main computer, and it works reasonably well, is light and well transportable, works with my docking station easily, etc, but those issues are annoying.
I had a gaming laptop whose CPU jumped to 92C immediately on load, the vendor replaced the heatsink + copper wires to solve the problem, the cooling system might be problematic instead of the CPU / mobo
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Same; I simply can't use a laptop without mouse buttons.
I have a Macbook Pro at work, and I honestly hate it, largely for this reason. Mouse button rock, and TrackPoint is good enough that I largely don't use the trackpad. My workflow is very keyboard-centric, so it's a really good fit.
Give me the same workflow and I'll become a Framework customer. Otherwise, I'll probably still get one, but only once my laptop is no longer functional.
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The battery connector is amazing, not a ribbon cable in sight!
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I had to double-take because I thought this was their 12th model. But no, they just suck at product versioning, like every other tech company.
I'm confused, do you have an example of a laptop that uses numbers for their model number iteration rather than their screen size or feature set?
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The number only indicate the screen size. The other two laptop models are the Framework 13 and 16. The only thing that made it confusing for you was your assumptions, since it all seems pretty straightforward to me.
Yes i realised that after researching their product line. And there are currently 5 different 13's, and seemingly no easy way to differentiate revisions without listing the complete specs.
I just wish companies would make it easier to tell which of their products is newer/older.
Eg: 13" 2021, 16" 2022, etc.. -
I'm confused, do you have an example of a laptop that uses numbers for their model number iteration rather than their screen size or feature set?
No. Which is why I said they suck at versioning, like every other tech company.
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Yes i realised that after researching their product line. And there are currently 5 different 13's, and seemingly no easy way to differentiate revisions without listing the complete specs.
I just wish companies would make it easier to tell which of their products is newer/older.
Eg: 13" 2021, 16" 2022, etc..I guess it doesn't really work in their case because they only update certain parts each time, while all other parts stay the same revision, so you do need to refer to the specs to know which model you're referring to.
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Yes i realised that after researching their product line. And there are currently 5 different 13's, and seemingly no easy way to differentiate revisions without listing the complete specs.
I just wish companies would make it easier to tell which of their products is newer/older.
Eg: 13" 2021, 16" 2022, etc..Revisions don't really make sense for Framework in the same way as most other tech companies though, simply because of how upgradable and swappable the laptops are. My 13 probably has parts from two or three different "versions" at this point, and works like Lucky Charms.
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The number only indicate the screen size. The other two laptop models are the Framework 13 and 16. The only thing that made it confusing for you was your assumptions, since it all seems pretty straightforward to me.
This naming scheme breaks down the moment they release another line of 12", 13", or 16" laptops. It's a bad naming scheme.
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This naming scheme breaks down the moment they release another line of 12", 13", or 16" laptops. It's a bad naming scheme.
They wouldn't because they don't have the manufacturing capacity to dilute their product line like that. The whole concept of the Frameworks laptop is to keep as many parts as possible between generation so its always upgradeable between generation. We'll see how well they can stay on this course.
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This naming scheme breaks down the moment they release another line of 12", 13", or 16" laptops. It's a bad naming scheme.
The whole point of making a easy to repair and upgrade laptop is that people wouldn't have to buy the latest model to get upgrades, they can just buy the parts they want to upgrade and swap them in their existing laptop and if the come up with a upgraded Framework 12, they can just add the year it comes out to the title
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my hands are not agile enough to accurately use a 5 or 6 inch touchscreen
when i use a phone one handed, i am struggling through about a 35% mis-input rate and then the general unresponsiveness of Android on top of that
ok, I most often type with 2 hands, but I have issues holding my tablet sized laptop for a longer time, so it's hard to even just keep reading on it. and it does not even have an HDD inside. I have no such problems with my phone, I could hold it probably for hours.
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Got a Framework 12 and have all sorts of tiny annoying but somewhat manageable problems with it.
It used to overheat and then throttle to 400 Mhz every few seconds on high load. Overheating meaning 100°C. After a long time being annoyed and thinking "did I do something wrong" I reached out to support, and eventually got a new motherboard. It's better since then, but it still gets hot quickly. Also, if I just idle, like maybe a few Browser tabs and that's it, it will get somewhat warm ~65°C and I just don't get it.
For some reason, it sometimes does not find my hard drive on boot. Works the second or third attempt, and is no software problem.
The light detection thing has to be disabled in software to be able to use the brightness buttons.
At the start, my wifi sucked really bad, just on this device.
Having some more ports than just the audio jack and the extension cards would be neat too.
Also, it was really expensive.
So yeah, I sadly wouldn't buy it again, I think. The concept is really neat, but I've had too many annoying little problems. I still do use it as my main computer, and it works reasonably well, is light and well transportable, works with my docking station easily, etc, but those issues are annoying.
Do you mean Framework 13? The 12 has just started shipping
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Yes i realised that after researching their product line. And there are currently 5 different 13's, and seemingly no easy way to differentiate revisions without listing the complete specs.
I just wish companies would make it easier to tell which of their products is newer/older.
Eg: 13" 2021, 16" 2022, etc..Lenovo ThinkPads used to do that, but you had to know the system.
T580 as an example:
- T is the series
- 5 indicates 1[5]" screen size
- 8 indicates the year 201[8]
- 0 doesn't really mean anything
So a T490 would be 14" and from 2019.
Though, I'm unsure of their naming scheme for newer models like T14 or T15. I think the 14 or 15 just tells the screen size, and then they add a "Gen 2", "Gen 3" etc. to indicate the age.
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Do you mean Framework 13? The 12 has just started shipping
What? No, the framework 12 is the thing the had before the 13 one. Nowadays, they call that model always 13 it seems. I think you're confusing something, I've got mine since a few years now.
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