So when are we all finally going to ditch Google/Apple and move on to actual FOSS phones like Librem5 or Fairphone?

When they are good.

Another problem I have is multifactor apps. Can I get duo on a Linux phone? Or banking apps? Some software sends notifications to the phone to log in on a computer, for example.

I'm sure I could get around it, but ultimately I just want a good camera.

Yeah, I need to know that Microsoft authenticator, duo mobile, all banking and trading apps, Venmo, and steam guard work on Linux. I know a lot of banking apps do, but if duo mobile doesn't, I'm locked out of my work.

Years ago, when this policy was first being contemplated, someone at google plugged a number, likely larger than this, into a spreadsheet analyzing the cost/benefit of spying on their customers.

This is just post-activation operating expense from their perspective.

They're impaling

Google made 100 billion last year.

300 million is barely a blip.

The fine should have been 30 billion.

if the fines arent big enough to seriously hurt a company, Then the fines are not big enough to change their behavior.

They just become a tax on evil.

Hey, they're gonna get their $2.97 checks. That's a gallon of gas somewhere.

Fairphone is FOSS??

They submitted kernel patches for (at least some) support of the FP6 the day it released. The preinstalled OS isn't FOSS though a good few FOSS OSs/distros support their older phones (and presumably the FP6 eventually).

So the answer is... sort of? Personally I just think they're just FOSS-friendly

Jail them!

In prison gen pop. Make execs afraid to break the law for profit and/or fund reform for the prison system.

Assuming the fine isn't progressive, of course.

Over here in Finland fines for any but the minor offences are defined in percents of income, not in fixed sums of money. There have been cases of traffic fines of several hundreds of thousands for going 30 km/h over the speed limit. That makes them a punishment for very richest people as well, not only for the lower class.

(Also not change anything besides maybe make a terms upade.)

The horror!!

They should definitely be higher than what they are, even the GDPR fines are a joke, its likely added to a line "legal expenses" in their expenses.

While it looks like the EU fines are ramping up over time, it still just feels silly right now. But I guess that is intentional.

When Librem stops sucking ass and Fairphone stops being just as bad as any other Android phone in terms of integrating Google services and allowing data collection

I don't chase dropped pennies, and I don't think google does either!

Don’t we ban Chinese phones for the same actions?

laughs in GrapheneOS

So small it’s almost imaginary

If you earn like 100k a year its like being slapped with a 300 $ fine just to put it into perspective.

They'll likely appeal.