lemm.ee is shutting down at the end of this month
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hey, real talk. if the users weren't so obnoxious maybe the admins wouldn't be burnt-the-fuck-out...
Really giving everyone a prime example of that, thanks!
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Unlike you, right?
do I seem burnt out?
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Why couldnât they just leave it be? People can block anyone that they donât want to see posts from. Is it really that important to have an army of people banning anyone who they disagree with?
What else do the admin team do other than ban people and remove posts and comments?
- Not providing a platform for activities that harm society (e.g. scams, disinformation).
- Not providing a platform for activities that will get you sued or prosecuted (e.g. piracy, child porn).
- They had to pay a considerable amount for the service.
On social media, putting the burden of blocking on a million users is naive because:
- Blocks can be worked around with bots, someone has to actively fight circumvention.
- Some users don't have the time to block, simply conclude "this is a hostile environment" and leave.
- Some users fall for scams / believe the disinfo.
I have once helped others build an anonymous mix network (I2P). I'm also an anarchist. On Lemmy however, support decentralization, defederating from instances that have bad policies or corrupt management, and harsh moderation. Because the operator of a Lemmy instance is fully exposed.
Experience has shown that total freedom is a suitable policy for apps that support 1-to-1 conversations via short text messages. Everything else invites too much abuse. If it's public, it will have rules. If it's totally private, it can have total freedom.
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The key reason is that we just donât have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasnât worked out.
Good riddance
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Why couldnât they just leave it be? People can block anyone that they donât want to see posts from. Is it really that important to have an army of people banning anyone who they disagree with?
What else do the admin team do other than ban people and remove posts and comments?
Exactly, the censorship and banning on there was ridiculous.
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.ee was my second favorate general instance after .ml I will be very sad to see it go
After .ml?
Then how can you even like lemm.ee and its right-wing mods?
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The key reason is that we just donât have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasnât worked out.
Thank you so much for providing my home instance. Have enjoyed Lemm.ee the past two years.
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- Not providing a platform for activities that harm society (e.g. scams, disinformation).
- Not providing a platform for activities that will get you sued or prosecuted (e.g. piracy, child porn).
- They had to pay a considerable amount for the service.
On social media, putting the burden of blocking on a million users is naive because:
- Blocks can be worked around with bots, someone has to actively fight circumvention.
- Some users don't have the time to block, simply conclude "this is a hostile environment" and leave.
- Some users fall for scams / believe the disinfo.
I have once helped others build an anonymous mix network (I2P). I'm also an anarchist. On Lemmy however, support decentralization, defederating from instances that have bad policies or corrupt management, and harsh moderation. Because the operator of a Lemmy instance is fully exposed.
Experience has shown that total freedom is a suitable policy for apps that support 1-to-1 conversations via short text messages. Everything else invites too much abuse. If it's public, it will have rules. If it's totally private, it can have total freedom.
Some users donât have the time to block, simply conclude âthis is a hostile environmentâ and leave.
This exactly.
As the anecdote puts it, once you start tolerating Nazis in your bar, it becomes a Nazi bar.
They poison the space, and the regular folks leave.
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Damn, it was like the 2/3rd most active instance
https://lemmyverse.net/ to search for a new instance
complete tangent: I see lemmy.world is listed there, but anyone knows why .world doesn't appear on join-lemmy.org's list of servers?
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complete tangent: I see lemmy.world is listed there, but anyone knows why .world doesn't appear on join-lemmy.org's list of servers?
Yeah, I noticed that too, but the observer and the explorer in the same page show them, so...ok...đ§
Maybe they're trying to divide the load among different servers, so they don't serve .world as the obvious default choice.
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Oh I didn't realise that how it worked.
Doesn't that mean that the hosting requirements for every instance are just going to become unfeasibly large as time goes on, or do the files get cleared out after a couple of years?
Text is very small and easily compressible, it's more images that you need to worry about generally speaking.
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After .ml?
Then how can you even like lemm.ee and its right-wing mods?
I have never spent significant time on their instance, user wise, they tend to be less likely to scream that I am from .ML and so an evil tankie.
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do I seem burnt out?
if the users werenât so obnoxious
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I have never spent significant time on their instance, user wise, they tend to be less likely to scream that I am from .ML and so an evil tankie.
I spent more time there and 'evil tankie' was among the lesser (of many many) insults.
Like nazi, bcs in their propagandised brain that is the same thing.
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I spent more time there and 'evil tankie' was among the lesser (of many many) insults.
Like nazi, bcs in their propagandised brain that is the same thing.
They are on horseshoe level.Im going to be honest with you, the worst instance I generally interact with is .world, I have never made a secret I am a communist, see username, but that is by far the worst instnce in my experience both of if I say anything "evil tankie" and they are also one of the worst at the evidence for me being a communist is not I have red army, but because I am from.ml
I admit this might be skewed because .world is bigger, but people from .ee tended to be more amenable,
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Im going to be honest with you, the worst instance I generally interact with is .world, I have never made a secret I am a communist, see username, but that is by far the worst instnce in my experience both of if I say anything "evil tankie" and they are also one of the worst at the evidence for me being a communist is not I have red army, but because I am from.ml
I admit this might be skewed because .world is bigger, but people from .ee tended to be more amenable,
Personal experience I guess.
.world is indeed not much better.
When recently .ml got federated again here and the reactions were mostly negative to extremely hostile.
But it's good that we're here, for some balance and post facts and opinions they otherwise don't see.
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Personal experience I guess.
.world is indeed not much better.
When recently .ml got federated again here and the reactions were mostly negative to extremely hostile.
But it's good that we're here, for some balance and post facts and opinions they otherwise don't see.
CheersCheers to you too, this was truly a plesent discussion, atleast on my end.
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Yeah, I noticed that too, but the observer and the explorer in the same page show them, so...ok...đ§
Maybe they're trying to divide the load among different servers, so they don't serve .world as the obvious default choice.
Actually the observer and explorer links redirect to external sites (fediverse.observer and lemmyverse.net respectively)
It would be odd to single out just the biggest server instead of letting people decide themselves; I have a feeling this exclusion is to do with .world's users having a beef with the folks running .ml
(and vice verse - join-lemmy.org seems like the official Lemmy site, so ran by the .ml ppl) -
The key reason is that we just donât have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasnât worked out.
Can/How do you Import/Export your comments/replies?
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name the communities lol
Looking at the ratio of my downvotes I guess here haha.
Iâve thought about how to respond to your comment for a while. I donât want to âoutâ some niche communities here for being toxic. That just perpetuates the problem Iâm complaining about. So instead a non niche example are the Nintendo and video game general communities here are overwhelmingly negative compared to their reddit equivalents.
