It’s usually vastly easier to verify an answer than posit one, if you have the patience to do so.

I'm envisioning a world where multiple AI engines create and check each others' work... the first thing they need to make work to support that scenario is probably fusion power.

I'd compare LLMs to a junior executive. Probably gets the basic stuff right, but check and verify for anything important or complicated. Break tasks down into easier steps.

It’s usually vastly easier to verify an answer than posit one, if you have the patience to do so.

I usually write 3x the code to test the code itself. Verification is often harder than implementation.

How do I set up event driven document ingestion from OneDrive located on an Azure tenant to Amazon DocumentDB? Ingestion must be near-realtime, durable, and have some form of DLQ.

Do you use an IDE for writing your code or do you use a notepad like a "real" programmer?
An IDE like Intellij has fancy shit like generating getters, setters, constructors, equals hashscode, you should never use those, real programmers write those by hand.

Your attention detail is very good btw, which I am ofc being sarcastic about because if you had any you'd have noticed I have never said I write my code with chat gpt, I said Unit tests, sql for unit tests.

Ofc attention to detail is not a requirement of software engineering so you should be good. (This was also sarcasm I feel like you need this to be pointed out for you).

Also by your implied logic that the code being not written by you = bad, no company should ever hire Junior engineers, I mean what are you gonna do? Fucking read the code they wrote?

AI cant even understand it's own brain to write about it

Yeah, they’re statistical word generators. There’s no intelligence. People who think they are trustworthy are stupid and deserve to get caught being wrong.

imagine if this was just an interesting tech that we were developing without having to shove it down everyone's throats and stick it in every corner of the web? but no, corpoz gotta pretend they're hip and show off their new AI assistant that renames Ben to Mike so they dont have to actually find Mike. capitalism ruins everything.

Tjose are people who could be living their li:es, pursuing their ambitions, whatever. That could get some shit done. Comparison not valid.

that is such a ridiculous idea. Just because you see hate for it in the media doesn't mean it originated there. I'll have you know that i have embarrassed myself by screaming at robot phone receptionists for years now. stupid fuckers pretending to be people but not knowing shit. I was born ready to hate LLMs and I'm not gonna have you claim that CNN made me do it.

I'm in a workplace that has tried not to be overbearing about AI, but has encouraged us to use them for coding.

I've tried to give mine some very simple tasks like writing a unit test just for the constructor of a class to verify current behavior, and it generates output that's both wrong and doesn't verify anything.

I'm aware it sometimes gets better with more intricate, specific instructions, and that I can offer it further corrections, but at that point it's not even saving time. I would do this with a human in the hopes that they would continue to retain the knowledge, but I don't even have hopes for AI to apply those lessons in new contexts. In a way, it's been a sigh of relief to realize just like Dotcom, just like 3D TVs, just like home smart assistants, it is a bubble.

No, it matters. Youre pushing the lie they want pushed.

and doesn't need to be exactly right

What kind of tasks do you consider that don't need to be exactly right?

When LLMs get it right it's because they're summarizing a stack overflow or GitHub snippet it was trained on. But you loose all the benefits of other humans commenting on the context, pitfalls and other alternatives.

That’s literally how “AI agents” are being marketed. “Tell it to do a thing and it will do it for you.”

The first half dozen times I tried AI for code, across the past year or so, it failed pretty much as you describe.

Finally, I hit on some things it can do. For me: keeping the instructions more general, not specifying certain libraries for instance, was the key to getting something that actually does something. Also, if it doesn't show you the whole program, get it to show you the whole thing, and make it fix its own mistakes so you can build on working code with later requests.

Emotion > Facts. Most people have been trained to blindly accept things and cheer on what fits with their agenda. Like technbro's exaggerating LLMs, or people like you misrepresenting LLMs as mere statistical word generators without intelligence. That's like saying a computer is just wires and switches, or missing the forest for the trees. Both is equally false.

Yet if it fits with the emotional needs or with dogma, then other will agree. It's a convenient and comforting "A vs B" worldview we've been trained to accept. And so the satisfying notion and misinformation keeps spreading.

LLMs tell us more about human intelligence and the human slop we've been generating. It tells us that most people are not that much more than statistical word generators.