Intel faces investor backlash for selling 10% stake to Trump admin at discount
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Also how is not socialism? Imagine the wailing from Repugnants if the Democrats did this.
Socialism is social ownership of the means of production. This ain’t it. This is Turbo Capitalism.
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Shrug. The DoD is notorious for trying to keep competition between its suppliers alive. But I don’t know enough about the airplane business to say they’re in a death spiral or not.
The fab business is a bit unique because of the sheer scaling of planning and capital involved.
I dunno why you brought up China/foreign interests though. Intel’s military fab designs would likely never get sold overseas, and neither would the military arm of Boeing. I wouldn’t really care about that either way…
This is just about keeping one of three leading edge processor fabs on the planet alive, and of course the gov is a bit worried about the other two in Taiwan and South Korea.
No, I didn't say that they were, but more like agreeing with the point that if Boeing was in deep financial problems that the FED could do the same because of the strategic concern to National Security if it were to be available to be sold or merge with others in the open market. No way the FED would allow it and would bail them out and a way to do that would be to purchase a physical stake in the company as a way to infuse operating funds into it.
I was agreeing with OP.
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By Trump admin, do we mean the US Federal Government?
when the trump admin is identical to the us federal govt, there will be no doubt about the matter.
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I've been building computers since 1999, and I've noticed that the industry is cyclical. I've purchased CPUs from both Intel and AMD. We need Intel to succeed, otherwise AMD will dominate the x86 processor market.
Modern times aren't like the past.
Don't get me wrong, the market will probably be worse if Intel were to go bust (certainly in the short term), but it wouldn't be anywhere near as devastating as it would've been 10, 15, 20 years ago.
x86 isn't the only viable architecture in town anymore.
Apple and others have proven that ARM is certainly viable for PCs.
Yes, Qualcomm's X Elite was a complete dud, but that's more on their/MS's absolute shit show of driver/firmware/graphics API development, not on the hardware. Nvidia's ARM stuff is already more mature.
Now imagine if Intel disappeared. AMD simply would not be able to meet the demand required, it'd tigger an arms race of companies pushing ARM and RISC-V development. Nvidia has not kept it secret that they want to get more into CPUs.
Shit, as unlikely as it initially seems, there's so much money on the table that Apple could even consider selling SoCs (although even if they did, I imagine they'd retain the best for themselves, or charge a huge premium).
I don't think people should be as worried about a lack of competition as they were when AMD was facing bankruptcy. The market is different now, and it's in a state of fairly quick evolution.
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It's a bailout where the taxpayers actually get something back.
How is it legal to bail out whole banks or other large companies and not get anything in return?
It wasn’t a bailout. It was a grant being converted to an equity position with questionable legality.
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I'd buy a macbook, but it's a lot more expensive than my "throw Linux on a used corporate thinkpad" approach, and I can tolerate macOS, but don't love it. If you're in the market for a new premium laptop, I think they're pretty established, and I do think people are buying them.
Ampere workstations are cool, but in a price range where most customers are probably corporate, and they'll mostly buy what they know works. I think their offerings are mostly niche for engineers who do dev work with stuff that will run on arm servers.
I'd say non-corporate arm adoption will grow when there's more affordable new and used options from mainstream manufacturers. Most people won't go for an expensive niche option, and probably don't care about architecture. Most Apple machines probably sell because they're Apple machines, not because of the chip inside.
I don't know exact numbers, but I do feel that arm server adoption isn't going to badly, especially with new web servers.
I wouldn’t buy a used Lenovo right now. There’s a lot of 13th/14th gen Intel trash blowing around out there right now that’s been silently damaged already. There are Ryzen based Lenovos but those aren’t as common.
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Apple doesn't really exist as a competitor for a number of industries and use cases due to not officially supporting anything other than OSX so I'm not sure if they're a fair comparison here.
The only real edge they have is in non-gaming related consumer workloads.
They do fine with content creation. Windows 11 has been such a bear many are moving back, and the m-series mac mini is a surprisingly capable little box that’s not offensively priced.
Asahi Linux has made fantastic progress too. It’s really just bare metal windows that’s a problem anymore on these and nobody wants windows anymore anyways. It’s just what they have. Outside of gaming it’s largely unnesscarry to use windows in 2025.
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Also how is not socialism? Imagine the wailing from Repugnants if the Democrats did this.
Please Google socialism.
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Oh I agree with you, but in my experience the people i know have predominately gone AMD as well. When I bought my 9900k, Reddit was HEAVILY downvoting any Intel support and upvoting AMD support. It doesn’t reflect the market, it I do see that in social trends.
…that said, while my 9900k still kicks ass, I am never going Intel again after recent news hahaha
All that bullshit where they didn’t immediately recall their processors with hardware issues put me off Intel indefinitely
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Public ownership of companies for the benefit of the public is a form of socialism, but Trump's fascist oligarchy serves only the wealthy elites. Oligarchs hijacking democracy for their own benefit isn't socialism.
Now THAT'S some mental gymnastics!
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Literally illegal. Only AMD and Intel have the patent cross-licensing rights to make x86 chips. There used to be a third company (Cyrix and subsequently VIA), and (maybe?) still is, but it hasn't been relevant to the desktop CPU market in decades.
The real competition will come from ARM-based computers.
Or riscv
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I wouldn’t buy a used Lenovo right now. There’s a lot of 13th/14th gen Intel trash blowing around out there right now that’s been silently damaged already. There are Ryzen based Lenovos but those aren’t as common.
Probably applies to most used Laptops right now. Also, I have some thinkpad nostalgia, but the similar skus from other manufacturers will also do, though they put course have the same problem.
Generally, you of course always need to research the specific hardware. Also, my current one is on 8th gen, still does the job for now.
