In the time it takes for all this to play out, all the farmers could recoup their potential losses and then some by replacing their JD investment with Kubota, who supports independent repair shops.

Of course, with the debt load most farmers carry, that’s easier said than done.

If the federal government set up a replacement program though, and shipped all the JD machinery to Ukraine where hackers know how to modify the software, everyone but JD would win.

Good. Fuck John Deere.

Kubota does not make equivalents to a lot of JD's lineup. Their biggest tractor (M8) really only has the traction weight and horsepower of JD's midsize tractors, which don't cut it for a majority of US farms needing large tilling implements.

That doesn't mean they can't replace JD at the smaller scale stuff though, and honestly they should.

Somehow, especially with this administration it will fail because they'll get a random donation

Years ago, folks hacked a Jeep Wrangler remotely, with a WIRED reporter in the car: https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

That freaked the shit out of vehicle manufacturers. It led to encrypted CANBus messages: https://dev.to/living_syn/can-bus-message-security-3h43

Problem was, your mom and pop repair shop would need a special $$$ 'authorized' dongle from the manufacturer to be able to diagnose problems beyond what plain OBD-II let you see. This effectively locked out third-party repair shops. People screamed and IIRC, a lot of car manufacturers backed down and just hardened remote access.

What Deere did was even more harsh. They tried to block off not only self repair, but third-party firmware that made the tractors work better, especially older ones that were out of warranty: https://schiller-tuning.com/vehicle-listings/agriculture/john-deere

They're trying to game copyright laws and click-through terms-of-service agreements to lock out third party repair.

This is a test case. If they lose, it'll be a BIG win for Right to Repair laws, covering phones, laptops, consoles, etc.

It's probably a good time for any farmer to get off john deere either way.

These days they fancy themselves an AI and data-driven solutions company rather than an equipment manufacturer: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2019/03/15/the-amazing-ways-john-deere-uses-ai-and-machine-vision-to-help-feed-10-billion-people/

To me that means they want to go the way of HP, enshittifying everything they have.

Ok I'm a proponent of right to repair and despise manufacturing techniques that lock repair shops out, make spare parts from 3rd parties impossible to install, or create planned obsolescence, or any shenanigans like this. It's basically anti-everybody else and suggests weakness and fear instead of quality and strength.

But help me understand how it's possible that our "free market" is enabling this, unless it's just a controlled market charading as free?

Is John Deere giving the hardware away for free to those who sign long term subscriptions or something?

If John Deere is the Apple-esque ecosystem of tractors where is the "PC" diy manufacture and why doesn't the market support them.

You mean it's gaining tractors?

I'll see myself out

Unfortunately consoles and phones tend to be exempt. For what reason other than lobbying I do not know.

For one, there is no such thing as a “free” market in this world that is not a controlled market. Every market has controls placed on it.

“Free market” ideology is just anti-regulation ideology, which again is antithetical to how every market in the world actually operates. Which is why being against regulation and market controls wholesale is generally very stupid

There is nothing wrong with being against certain regulations for specific reasons, thats not what Im talking about. But rather being against regulation in general and imagining all regulation as inherently bad for the economy.

In this case, consumers having right to repair would be a regulation, and therefore doesnt fit in the ideology of people who jerk it to the idea of a “free” market because they dont understand how the economy actually works. Right to repair does not exist in a free market