Reddit users in the UK must now upload selfies to access NSFW subreddits
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Just curious, how would this happen in practice? As I understand lemmy instances are defederated across the globe. Who would they send their demands to? Also there is already some nsfw content in lemmy, are those expected to respond now in some way?
Maybe they'll just make the Fediverse illegal in the UK. Or all non-corporate sites that can't afford to pay a company like Persona.
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Within banking apps it has become the norm, it shouldn't mean it's acceptable, but for the wider community it is accepted.
But for a fucking forum??
Christ.
Especially at a time when Europe are trying to establish digital sovereignty and all of the stories coming out about the US government having access to data. We already know that they are willing to share that with the highest bidder (s).People would have to be absolute morons to upload anything personal to Reddit, nevermind your photo ID like a passport or driving licence. But obviously that's what they're banking on (people being morons).
The photo will be uploaded to Persona, not Reddit, if their blurb is to be believed. But yes, it's nuts, and also now required by law.
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Within banking apps it has become the norm
"The fucking fuck?" — America
Not the norm here in Canada. Not with any banking app I've used anyway.
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Finally it seems the end of Reddit is near.
Lol. Fuck off reddit.
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That's what you get for using Reddit.
Unfortunately it'll be what UK users get for using any site, since it's the law.
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Finally it seems the end of Reddit is near.
I can't tell you how tired I am of hearing about all the absolutely inane batshit coming out of the UK. Holy shit your country is a dumpster fire.
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If the UK is going to require adult verification it should be built into your internet contract. Yeah, I'm an adult. I'm paying my bills, of course I'm a fucking adult. I over pay for this garbage internet.
Uploading a selfie? The ai is going to determine if you're over 18? Can the ai determine if the selfie is also ai?
Can the AI determine if I'm just uploading photos of Kier Starmer as my ID?
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Real talk - or what? If LemmyNSFW isn't based in the UK, what can they do?
Block it? I'd rather have that than deal with processing users face data.
While I don't know this situation, in general it tends to be up to the site to block access, rather than the other way around. If they don't, some government branch may issue a fine to the server owners, and if it doesn't get paid it's seen as a crime committed in the UK. Might mean the fineé gets banned, the country they live in might get an extradition order, or whatever.
Again, no idea about this case in particular. This is just based on what I've seen under similar rulings.
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Americans
Yes only the powerful Americans are pedophiles, nobody else
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While I don't know this situation, in general it tends to be up to the site to block access, rather than the other way around. If they don't, some government branch may issue a fine to the server owners, and if it doesn't get paid it's seen as a crime committed in the UK. Might mean the fineé gets banned, the country they live in might get an extradition order, or whatever.
Again, no idea about this case in particular. This is just based on what I've seen under similar rulings.
Well as a Lemmy admin I'll see if they seriously enforce this on international sites. If not, I won't worry about it. If so, the UK gets blocked.
I doubt they'll be going after niche sites anyway. Big dogs like reddit, sure. Sites dedicated to porn probably. Everyone else? Doubt it.
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The solution to all of this “think of the children” stuff is that devices owned/used by children should have to be registered as a child’s device, which would enable certain content blockers.
Forcing adults to verify their identity, rather than simply activating some broad based restrictions on devices being purchased for child use, is a waste of time. Kids will still find workarounds. Adult privacy will be compromised.
Its also an easily enforceable policy to require registration of children’s devices. You can hold the parents to compliance. You can hold the carriers to compliance. Its truly the simplest way to keep kids from accessing porn without having to mess with adult use of the internet whatsoever
The solution to all of this “think of the children” stuff is that devices owned/used by children should have to be registered as a child’s device, which would enable certain content blockers.
That's kinda the case right now already, but the problem is that adult-only sites don't work with that currently.
So the right solution would be to mandate that e.g. all sites are required to return a header with an age recommendation or something similar, so that a device set to child-mode then can block all these sites. And if a site doesn't set the header, it will also get blocked on child-mode devices
Wouldn't be too hard to do, and accidental overblocking would only occur on child-mode devices, so there's not much of a loss there.
Legislation could then be focussed on mandating that these headers aren't falsely set (e.g. a porn site setting the header to child-friendly).
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“Reddit has stressed that this system is only to verify users' age, and it has no interest in your identity. Lee further stated that Persona won't know what subreddits you visit, and has promised it won't keep users' uploaded images more than seven days.”
Press X to doubt.
Google uses reddit for its AI training. Just saying.
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If the UK is going to require adult verification it should be built into your internet contract. Yeah, I'm an adult. I'm paying my bills, of course I'm a fucking adult. I over pay for this garbage internet.
Uploading a selfie? The ai is going to determine if you're over 18? Can the ai determine if the selfie is also ai?
Yeah, it's some serious BS. They are forcing you to hand over and trust Reddit with your personal information, yet I wouldn't trust them if my life depended on it.
At the very least, someone in charge of this legisltion should learn OAuth2 and force the sites they want to comply by only let those OAuth2 accounts access their adult content. If I was in the UK, I'd just pay for a VPN over giving my photo to Reddit. That site is a lobby brigade hellhole whose "we know your dark secrets, we know everything" owner is also probably trading your account details on the side.
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This is a combination of terrible legislation in the UK meets awful social media site.
The Online Safety Act is an abomination, compromising the privacy and freedom of the vast majority of the UK in the name of "protecting children".
I'm of the view parents are responsible for protecting their children. I know it's hard but the Online Safety Act is not a solution.
All it will.do is compromise the privacy and security of law abiding adults while kids will still access porn and all the other really bad stuff on the Internet will actually be unaffected. The dark illegal shit on the Internet is not happening on Pornhub or Reddit.
The UK is gradually sliding further and further into censorship, and authoritarianism and all the in the name of do gooders. It's scary to watch.
that's what happens when the uk has had 40+ years of constant tory rule (and yes blue labour are tories)
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Finally it seems the end of Reddit is near.
does the federated nature of lemmy/piefed/kbin/etc prevent governments from taking action against them?
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Finally it seems the end of Reddit is near.
Going the way of tumblr? I’m sure it will work out well for them. /s
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To follow compliance with the Know Your Customer Pornographic Materials Act, please use the following guidelines for your photograph:
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The picture must be clear, at least 720x480p.
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The picture must include your entire body, including your head and toes. Portrait only. *This helps us identify you better.
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Please remove any articles of clothing, your body must be unimpeded by any obstruction. *Burqas and other headscarves must be removed, no exceptions.
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If you were assigned female at birth, you will be required to rotate 180 degrees and upload another portrait photograph of your back. *Please use only your valid binary gender at birth, either male or female.
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Further requests for identification photos are at our discretion, our board has full authority. You may be required to upload alternative photos, such as positions bending over to help us identify your genitalia to ensure it matches your birth gender.
Thank you for using Persona. For any questions or complaints, please direct them to: BigDaddyGuns6969@aol.com. Please allow up to 14 days for an initial response, and 88 hours for subsequent replies.
I know this is a joke but I'm worried it might not be in the future.
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Finally it seems the end of Reddit is near.
They better be NSFW selfies.
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Parental controls exist. Why should single adults be forced to jump through hoops because most parents are lazy fucks who don't take responsibility for their kids?
Because it’s always a few fuckwits ruining it for the rest.
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The solution to all of this “think of the children” stuff is that devices owned/used by children should have to be registered as a child’s device, which would enable certain content blockers.
Forcing adults to verify their identity, rather than simply activating some broad based restrictions on devices being purchased for child use, is a waste of time. Kids will still find workarounds. Adult privacy will be compromised.
Its also an easily enforceable policy to require registration of children’s devices. You can hold the parents to compliance. You can hold the carriers to compliance. Its truly the simplest way to keep kids from accessing porn without having to mess with adult use of the internet whatsoever
The arguments that I’ve seen against that is that the problem is the hardware. The child can figure out/find a hack to circumvent the restrictions. A determined 11/12 year old could do it. They’re the ones who still need restriction.
