Amazon boss tells staff AI means their jobs are at risk in coming years
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Conclusions from a reductionist point of view. Circumstances, problems and solutions are generally complicated.
Moving on.
How's the view with your head in the sand?
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As we roll out more generative AI and agents, it should change the way our work is done
we expect that this will reduce our total corporate workforce
Are we done for?
It takes a special type of shithead to threaten peoples' jobs to their face without even knowing what the fuck they are talking about.
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As we roll out more generative AI and agents, it should change the way our work is done
we expect that this will reduce our total corporate workforce
Are we done for?
I just want my shit delivered in under an hour by drones for now please
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Time for the AI teams to suddenly have tech issues.
"Sorry, the whole codebase is just gone! We have no idea what happened!"
"Must have been the S3 storage"
Stupid question but what is stopping the software engineers to poison the well?
Insert malicious code, self destructing functions, have entire batches of code lost or corrupted, hardware damaged, etc?
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Stupid question but what is stopping the software engineers to poison the well?
Insert malicious code, self destructing functions, have entire batches of code lost or corrupted, hardware damaged, etc?
A company with fuck off amount of legal power?
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Oh, gimme a break.
This jerk is telling his workers that all their jobs are in jeopardy all the time, year after year. No news here. It's just his thing.
Probably he's trying to keep up the fear - booo hooooo...
But why? Why make them scared they'll lose their jobs at any moment Vs feeling secure?
If they're scared, they'll be seeking better employment, applying for other jobs whilst working this highly unstable one. Probably reduced productivity too, I wouldn't be as productive under that sort of negative environment.
Make them feel valued and secure though and they won't leave, there'll be less workplace issues for you to have to deal with, and they'll work harder.
Unless you see them as completely disposable because the law won't touch you and there will always be desperate people to fill those positions at any given time, fear is a ridiculous thing to want to instill in your workforce.
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A company with fuck off amount of legal power?
Small acts of sabotage are easy to write off to causality, if well planned.
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Stupid question but what is stopping the software engineers to poison the well?
Insert malicious code, self destructing functions, have entire batches of code lost or corrupted, hardware damaged, etc?
It's not a stupid question. From what I hear, people try stuff like this all the time, stuff like putting a bit of code on your employer's system that'll erase important files if you get shit canned and no longer appear on the payroll. It's why a lot of companies no longer give notice when ppl are fired, just have security walk them out. And unfortunately this stuff is often traceable, which means they're risking quite serious prosecution.
I don't like much of what I see, I think it's becoming clear that some new tech is going to have wide ranging and harmful effects. I'm not sure that doing luddite stuff will help but I can understand why people would think that way.
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But why? Why make them scared they'll lose their jobs at any moment Vs feeling secure?
If they're scared, they'll be seeking better employment, applying for other jobs whilst working this highly unstable one. Probably reduced productivity too, I wouldn't be as productive under that sort of negative environment.
Make them feel valued and secure though and they won't leave, there'll be less workplace issues for you to have to deal with, and they'll work harder.
Unless you see them as completely disposable because the law won't touch you and there will always be desperate people to fill those positions at any given time, fear is a ridiculous thing to want to instill in your workforce.
It's abuser tactics - "You're lucky you've got me, no-one else would have you, now take more shit." It's cheaper than making employees feel happy and valued. And yeah, some very successful companies absolutely see their employees as disposable. I'm hoping this'll become a problem for them when they've burned through the available pool of vulnerable staff, but we don't seem to be there yet.
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It's not a stupid question. From what I hear, people try stuff like this all the time, stuff like putting a bit of code on your employer's system that'll erase important files if you get shit canned and no longer appear on the payroll. It's why a lot of companies no longer give notice when ppl are fired, just have security walk them out. And unfortunately this stuff is often traceable, which means they're risking quite serious prosecution.
I don't like much of what I see, I think it's becoming clear that some new tech is going to have wide ranging and harmful effects. I'm not sure that doing luddite stuff will help but I can understand why people would think that way.
We could just regulate tech companies and outright ban some practices but since we apparently don't have time for rational solutions...
Well thought out sabotage can be written off to causality or involuntary human error.
Not giving notice of lay off is an abusive work practice and only shows how far we've allowed work conditions to degrade.
And that practice itself can be highly dangerous, if we consider a person can be midway into a complex task that can turn extremely difficult to follow by another: waste of time, resources, energy and money.
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As we roll out more generative AI and agents, it should change the way our work is done
we expect that this will reduce our total corporate workforce
Are we done for?
yes, create a legion of angry, unemployed/unemployable people, that will go well for the capitalist system
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But why? Why make them scared they'll lose their jobs at any moment Vs feeling secure?
If they're scared, they'll be seeking better employment, applying for other jobs whilst working this highly unstable one. Probably reduced productivity too, I wouldn't be as productive under that sort of negative environment.
Make them feel valued and secure though and they won't leave, there'll be less workplace issues for you to have to deal with, and they'll work harder.
Unless you see them as completely disposable because the law won't touch you and there will always be desperate people to fill those positions at any given time, fear is a ridiculous thing to want to instill in your workforce.
But why? Why make them scared they'll lose their jobs
Overly bossy bosses often believe that people work more, or perform better this way.
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As we roll out more generative AI and agents, it should change the way our work is done
we expect that this will reduce our total corporate workforce
Are we done for?
Amazon is currently hemorrhaging executive level and above engineers. Amazon will have to be replacing these jobs with AI cause every one of value has already left/is leaving and filling those jobs with qualified people at that level is actually a lot more difficult than more junior level positions.
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No. Amazon has been trying to cut head count for years now. They were hoping RTO5 would do the trick but because every company is trying to do the same thing people didn’t have a ship to jump to.
“Our AI is so great!” Is a way to mask that their finances aren’t good and they dramatically made the wrong bet in 2021 hiring so much.
Honestly most of the time at Amazon you’re doing more meetings and red tape than you are coding so I don’t expect AI to magically fix shit for them.
They’re actually significantly below their current hiring target at the executive level and people are leaving left and right.
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Stupid question but what is stopping the software engineers to poison the well?
Insert malicious code, self destructing functions, have entire batches of code lost or corrupted, hardware damaged, etc?
Nah, not stupid. But yeah it's hard to do without leaving a very clear trail. I assume most engineers want to keep their job and their income.
But programmers tend to use some form of a "versioning" system like git. This will record everyone's changes to the codebase, when a change was made, what was changed, who changed it. And it allows you to go back and revert changes if something important broke. Very convenient for programmers, less convenient for sabotage.
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But why? Why make them scared they'll lose their jobs at any moment Vs feeling secure?
If they're scared, they'll be seeking better employment, applying for other jobs whilst working this highly unstable one. Probably reduced productivity too, I wouldn't be as productive under that sort of negative environment.
Make them feel valued and secure though and they won't leave, there'll be less workplace issues for you to have to deal with, and they'll work harder.
Unless you see them as completely disposable because the law won't touch you and there will always be desperate people to fill those positions at any given time, fear is a ridiculous thing to want to instill in your workforce.
That’s Amazon and many other big tech company cultures. Hostile hustle culture. You could always lose your job as you need to be a “top performer” to stay. They purposely let the “lowest performers” go on a regular basis.
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yes, create a legion of angry, unemployed/unemployable people, that will go well for the capitalist system
Within a decade, AI/Robotics could replace so many jobs, that we could have a permanent unemployed class of 40% or more. We will be faced with two solutions - Universal Basic Income, or Reduce the population by 40%.
Which solution do you think each party will support, and how will they achieve it? Hint: Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller has said that he wants the population to decrease from a diverse 335 million, to a homogenous 100 million.
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It takes a special type of shithead to threaten peoples' jobs to their face without even knowing what the fuck they are talking about.
This is going to be the threat that EVERY employee will hear over the next several years, whenever they ask for any sort of a raise, promotion, etc. "Just be glad we don't replace you with AI."
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Ah yes those famous "Agents". They will of course write themselves, adapt themselves to changing environment and run on their own without any supervision.
And if all that were to happen. You just caused eventual iron man uprising due to lack of supervision on code updates.
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As we roll out more generative AI and agents, it should change the way our work is done
we expect that this will reduce our total corporate workforce
Are we done for?
How kind of him to tell his staff to look elsewhere for jobs so far in advance. Polish that resume team!
