Study: Remote working benefits fathers while childless men miss sense of community
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Childless man here, I work mostly remotely.
I don't miss any sense of community.
What community? Getting whipped along with your work colleagues? I swear these studies are totally sponsored by some business interests.
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Remote work is a step in the right direction at least. In my case, I'm generally just too exhausted to bother going anywhere other than home and work, which definitely limits any socializing. Work culture isn't entirely to blame of course, but it sure isn't helping.
I would claim it's only a step in the right direction for someone if they will actually start doing something social. It's not enough that there is more opportunity to if you never actually do it...
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What does this even mean
Read again. Slowly.
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When in office, you at least have the stress of many loud people around to distract you from that.
You hear yourself and you can spot the issue, right?
Yes, the issue is that those loud people are also distracting you from work.
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Come on, work being the sole source of community is the problem here. What are we even talking about?
Being back mandatory poker nights!!!
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My oldest has no children and works fully remote.
When the pandemic started, his company decided to have everyone work from home. They very quickly discovered that they were just as productive, and the owner decided it made sense to dump their office space.
A group of employees decided to go on vacation together, while still working. Since they are all remote, they didn't actually have to work from home. They got an Airbnb with good Internet, worked during the day, and saw the sites and had fun together after work.
If you're remote and you miss that sense of community, reach out to your coworkers and ask them if they want to hang out after work. It's possible they don't and you'll be disappointed. It's also possible that they feel the same way but didn't know they could do something about it.
Either you'll be the hero that saved everyone from their solitary existence, or you'll have to accept that they don't want to hang out with you.
This is a good idea, but also working remote frees up time to meet new affinity groups.
Not to dump on people's relaxation strategies, but even the most introverted person can't survive on video games and gooning alone.
If you don't want or like hanging with coworkers, find a local bar to hang out at and meet some folks, go to a community board game night, join a choir, attend an anime viewing night, just do something to take initiative and meet some folks that like what you like.
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Childless man here, I work mostly remotely.
I don't miss any sense of community.
Same. What an asanine thing for the article to assert.
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what is this study? why does the article not link to it and the data? what is the sample size, located where? waste of time post, downvoted.
It's a finnish gov:t newspaper reporting on a gov:t study.
Here's the link:
The benefits of remote work are not equally distributed — impacts vary between employee groups | Finnish Institute of Occupational Health
Working remotely can increase well-being and reduce workload, but it does not benefit everyone equally. The experiences of supervisors and employees, for example, may differ. A longitudinal study by the Engagement and Social Connections in Multi-location Work project under the Finnish Institute of Occupational Health provides new information on why remote work can weaken trust and the sense of community — and the roles and life situations where it can support well-being.
Finnish Institute of Occupational Health (www.ttl.fi)
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This childless man loves his peace, quiet, and alone time.
But maybe I don't qualify as I have dogs, friends, and kickass neighbors.
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I’m not going to deny that some people enjoy going to work and enjoy interacting with their coworkers, but this feels like it’s missing the forest for the trees. What about the affects commuting has on one’s civic engagement in their actual community?
“There’s a simple rule of thumb: Every ten minutes of commuting results in ten per cent fewer social connections. Commuting is connected to social isolation, which causes unhappiness.”
https://archive.ph/2020.02.27-211238/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/04/16/there-and-back-againI broadly agree, but I think there's a bit of a "correlation is not causation" effect at play, too
I would expect people who are very career-focused would prioritise socialising less, and also be more willing to do a long commute for a job they are highly invested in. But the reduced socialising wouldn't necessarily be caused by the commuting (not entirely, at least).
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Childless man here, I work mostly remotely.
I don't miss any sense of community.
Agreed. This article sounds like the kind of BS corporate media's trying to parrot to gaslight us into giving up WFH.
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I’m a childless man and I don’t miss the sense of community one bit.
Same here, much prefer the peace and quiet as well as avoiding the complication & stress of maintaining a personal relationship that may or may not last. As long as I have my dog with me I'm never lonely.
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Fathers versus childless men, rather than husbands vs unmarried men. Telling.
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Childless man here, I work mostly remotely.
I don't miss any sense of community.
Same. I came here to make the exact same comment.
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i'm skeptical of any study that concludes anyone would rather deal with all the bullshit of working in the office rather than wfh
no one goes to work for the "community," which can also be gotten literally anywhere other than work
sounds like something corporate slavedriving senior executives decided they wanted a "study" on to prove people want to work in the office
which can also be gotten literally anywhere other than work
Can it? For absolutely everyone, regardless of (mental) health? No one benefits from being monetarily pressured to interact with people even if the interaction is only surface level?
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Fathers versus childless men, rather than husbands vs unmarried men. Telling.
What does it tell
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What does it tell
It's clearly telling that the study is looking at men with regards to their possession of a child or an infant of some kind, rather than regarding wether they take part in some sort of commited marital relationship or partnership
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It's clearly telling that the study is looking at men with regards to their possession of a child or an infant of some kind, rather than regarding wether they take part in some sort of commited marital relationship or partnership
It’s a different world.
With a kid you get to know other parents, lots of social activities and people you are around.
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which can also be gotten literally anywhere other than work
Can it? For absolutely everyone, regardless of (mental) health? No one benefits from being monetarily pressured to interact with people even if the interaction is only surface level?
ok. the reasons someone might actually want to go to work in the office (e.g., can't interact with people who aren't getting paid to interact) are not the same reasons CEOs want to force you to work in the office (control; oversight; subjugation)
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Come on, work being the sole source of community is the problem here. What are we even talking about?
No one said “sole.” It’s about a sense of community between you and your coworkers, which is a very real and normal thing. It’s spelled out in the article very clearly:
losing that sense of workplace community had a greater impact on childless men
“Workplace community.”
I’m a dad working remote and I love the benefits but I ALSO miss the sense of community with my coworkers which I used to get from lunches together, sharing the train ride home, or just working side by side at our desks.
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