Study: Remote working benefits fathers while childless men miss sense of community
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i'm skeptical of any study that concludes anyone would rather deal with all the bullshit of working in the office rather than wfh
no one goes to work for the "community," which can also be gotten literally anywhere other than work
sounds like something corporate slavedriving senior executives decided they wanted a "study" on to prove people want to work in the office
no one goes to work for the “community,” which can also be gotten literally anywhere other than work
I can confidently say that a lot of my coworkers do go to work for a sense of community and also hang out with those same coworkers after hours. They basically get to see their community at work, and most of them don't have a home office set up, so the office is a better setting for them.
I separate work and home life almost entirely, and love working from home, but do want to acknowledge that some people do want to be in the office and it isn't only the toxic ones.
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Childless man here, I work mostly remotely.
I don't miss any sense of community.
Let's fix this headline:
Remote work benefits all in different ways.
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To me this highlights that many single men have problems with loneliness.
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Pretty much. It's feels like someone complaining that they won the lottery.
Not everyones ideal life is to at all times be alone.
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What does this even mean
?You're mad at me because I'm an enjoyable person who gets along with co workers now? Are you saying I should feel sorry for people that can't make friends outside the Internet?
I'm genuinely confused at what your point is here.What does this even mean
Read again. Slowly.
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Let's fix this headline:
Remote work benefits all in different ways.
Oh c'mon the headline is clear. Get pregante XOR go home!
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As a childless asocial workaholic with some degree of toxicity that LinkedIn bastard probably dream of, my performance heavily depended on the importance of the task. WFH let me be more passionate about some projects and papers that I used all benefits of cutting commute, was way less distracted and motivated. But bullshit paperwork, letters, chats and reports lagged even further behind than they did in the office, right up to the deadline. Sometimes because I did the work itself instead and no one looked over my shoulder.
For me RTOing into a nearly-empty building in the off-season when most take vacations was the most dumb idea, and since it was a typical rule-for-thee, I had almost none supervison, was arriving late, leaving early and put a shit ton of hours into various MMOs. The complete opposite to what I did in a brief moments of quarantine. Look, jerks, you paid me to level my chars, that's what you wanted?
I think like in a trust-based environment clocking in is unnecessary and various bosses over time did get it, I payed back by reporting stuff myself so they were sure I'm on it at any given time. Like we are actually a team of some sort, they do their stuff, I do mine, we pass things to each other etc. The others were completely disconnected from empoyees and to compensate their inability to trust, got high on controlling shit, were sending down teamworking events, talking about being a family or other sectarian career manager bullshit, relied on and encouraged snitching on each other. These were the positions I nailed down to me clocking out and stop giving a fuck, before eventually leaving.
And for coworkers: they either do their work, or leave it to others, and I rarely GAF about other characteristics. The high stress environment of labor is not where I prefer to socialise, nor I'm in the mood to. I crave work-related communications that makes all objectives clear and obvious, work-related stories I can learn from, you know, the stuff I came here for, and not a social club with gossips, drama and all that. If I'm given 2hrs+ from not riding to your building, I can have two socializations and a half if I want to. The exhaustion it causes not helps but prevents me from going out with friends, and I'm double pissed that some bosses make an act like that's better for their workers while not giving them any agency and doing it solely for themselves.
Rant: over.
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To me this highlights that many single men have problems with loneliness.
Remote work is a step in the right direction at least. In my case, I'm generally just too exhausted to bother going anywhere other than home and work, which definitely limits any socializing. Work culture isn't entirely to blame of course, but it sure isn't helping.
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Well then call me the outlier, cause I'm a childless man who has been happily working remote since before covid. I'd rather be jobless than go back to office work. I have a small group of non-work friends that I enjoy spending time with, and back when I did office work the majority of my friends were not work friends.
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what is this study? why does the article not link to it and the data? what is the sample size, located where? waste of time post, downvoted.
It's propaganda.
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Childless man here, I work mostly remotely.
I don't miss any sense of community.
What community? Getting whipped along with your work colleagues? I swear these studies are totally sponsored by some business interests.
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Remote work is a step in the right direction at least. In my case, I'm generally just too exhausted to bother going anywhere other than home and work, which definitely limits any socializing. Work culture isn't entirely to blame of course, but it sure isn't helping.
I would claim it's only a step in the right direction for someone if they will actually start doing something social. It's not enough that there is more opportunity to if you never actually do it...
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What does this even mean
Read again. Slowly.
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When in office, you at least have the stress of many loud people around to distract you from that.
You hear yourself and you can spot the issue, right?
Yes, the issue is that those loud people are also distracting you from work.
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Come on, work being the sole source of community is the problem here. What are we even talking about?
Being back mandatory poker nights!!!
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My oldest has no children and works fully remote.
When the pandemic started, his company decided to have everyone work from home. They very quickly discovered that they were just as productive, and the owner decided it made sense to dump their office space.
A group of employees decided to go on vacation together, while still working. Since they are all remote, they didn't actually have to work from home. They got an Airbnb with good Internet, worked during the day, and saw the sites and had fun together after work.
If you're remote and you miss that sense of community, reach out to your coworkers and ask them if they want to hang out after work. It's possible they don't and you'll be disappointed. It's also possible that they feel the same way but didn't know they could do something about it.
Either you'll be the hero that saved everyone from their solitary existence, or you'll have to accept that they don't want to hang out with you.
This is a good idea, but also working remote frees up time to meet new affinity groups.
Not to dump on people's relaxation strategies, but even the most introverted person can't survive on video games and gooning alone.
If you don't want or like hanging with coworkers, find a local bar to hang out at and meet some folks, go to a community board game night, join a choir, attend an anime viewing night, just do something to take initiative and meet some folks that like what you like.
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Childless man here, I work mostly remotely.
I don't miss any sense of community.
Same. What an asanine thing for the article to assert.
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what is this study? why does the article not link to it and the data? what is the sample size, located where? waste of time post, downvoted.
It's a finnish gov:t newspaper reporting on a gov:t study.
Here's the link:
The benefits of remote work are not equally distributed — impacts vary between employee groups | Finnish Institute of Occupational Health
Working remotely can increase well-being and reduce workload, but it does not benefit everyone equally. The experiences of supervisors and employees, for example, may differ. A longitudinal study by the Engagement and Social Connections in Multi-location Work project under the Finnish Institute of Occupational Health provides new information on why remote work can weaken trust and the sense of community — and the roles and life situations where it can support well-being.
Finnish Institute of Occupational Health (www.ttl.fi)
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This childless man loves his peace, quiet, and alone time.
But maybe I don't qualify as I have dogs, friends, and kickass neighbors.
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I’m not going to deny that some people enjoy going to work and enjoy interacting with their coworkers, but this feels like it’s missing the forest for the trees. What about the affects commuting has on one’s civic engagement in their actual community?
“There’s a simple rule of thumb: Every ten minutes of commuting results in ten per cent fewer social connections. Commuting is connected to social isolation, which causes unhappiness.”
https://archive.ph/2020.02.27-211238/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/04/16/there-and-back-againI broadly agree, but I think there's a bit of a "correlation is not causation" effect at play, too
I would expect people who are very career-focused would prioritise socialising less, and also be more willing to do a long commute for a job they are highly invested in. But the reduced socialising wouldn't necessarily be caused by the commuting (not entirely, at least).
