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The Astronomer CEO's Coldplay Concert Fiasco Is Emblematic of Our Social Media Surveillance Dystopia

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  • So they were identified by a government agency or an entity acting within that scope?

    Surveillance capitalism knows more about you than government agencies.

  • See it, sure. But as a society we used to have an expectation of anonymity, for better or worse.

    That's the case if you are some unimportant rando, yes.

    But these two people we are talking about are very public figures due to their jobs, and they are compensated very well for this. As a public figure you can't have the expectation of anonymity. That just comes with the territory.

    Every time JK Rowling lets out an anti-trans fart, the whole internet is up in arms. When my transphobe uncle does the same, nobody cares. Because one of them is a public figure and the other one is not.

    If you would read the article, you would understand the point you're missing.

    No one recognized them because they were public figures. In this case it's not clear how they were recognized, but in the general sense, it is clear that social media will gleefully dox randos using technology like facial recognition. Attractive security guards, people dancing, etc. Just yesterday, someone took a picture of me at the pool just for walking with messy hair.

    The point the article is making is that anybody can be made a public figure now, because of technology.

  • If you would read the article, you would understand the point you're missing.

    No one recognized them because they were public figures. In this case it's not clear how they were recognized, but in the general sense, it is clear that social media will gleefully dox randos using technology like facial recognition. Attractive security guards, people dancing, etc. Just yesterday, someone took a picture of me at the pool just for walking with messy hair.

    The point the article is making is that anybody can be made a public figure now, because of technology.

    I have read the article, and I got your point before, and I still think that it's totally moot and besides the point.

    If they had been two total randos, say Max the car repair man cheating with Mandy the receptionist, then nobody would have even tried to recognize them. Not with social media, not with facial recognition not with anything else.

    And even if Peter, the coworker of Max and Mandy would have recognized them, he'd maybe have told their partners, or he might have made fun of them at work, but that's it. Because these people don't matter.

    To get back to your example: Somebody took a picture of you. Ok. Now what? Did that picture go viral on social media? Did that picture make it into international news? No. Because you don't matter.

    And you said it yourself:

    Shit, my workplace couldn't even identify the people who walked in the front door and stole stuff and walked out. The police could see their faces clearly in the security footage, but they weren't from around here and no one knew who they were.

  • So this article went over everyone's head??? The surveillance apparatus is the that they were able to be identified immediately. You guys prove the authors point. It's so normalized it doesn't seem out of place. Not only that they were blasted around the world just as fast.

    The post we're in right now showing their names and faces. The comment section we're in. This is part of the mass surveillance machine.

    The witch hunt is self evident but I suppose I need to be blunt. It's because they're deemed worthy of your scorn. So you accept the dystopian surveillance state because in this instance it has served your purpose.

    Crazy times.

    Lol you really think a CEO, of a billion dollar company no less, being recognized on camera is "emblematic" of anything.

    Don't pretend they are like us.

    Yes surveillance capitalism is ruining the society, but this is not it. Surprising bad take from 404media.

  • Surveillance capitalism knows more about you than government agencies.

    Facebook proved that well enough, the courts are supposed to be the remedy to that though.

  • Lol you really think a CEO, of a billion dollar company no less, being recognized on camera is "emblematic" of anything.

    Don't pretend they are like us.

    Yes surveillance capitalism is ruining the society, but this is not it. Surprising bad take from 404media.

    They not like us

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    lol they not like us

    He got caught dipping his pen in company ink, I've seen it happen to staff lower on the totem pole.

    Its exactly what needed to happen. Its company policy fairly enforced, because it never is for the C suite.

  • It’s up to us as voters to elect governments that do not abuse surveillance technology.

    Surveillance technology is only feedback.

    There's also the regulator which uses that feedback. It's means of regulation are bots, properly formed news, law policies, and raw action. Probably even targeted murders.

    That system together affects whom "we as voters" elect. Because we are too many to organize, while for regulation our numbers and diversity are actually favorable, to treat us all as one object.

    Which means that electoral democracy is dead. Direct democracy with nationwide mandatory participation and rotational sortitioned filling of state roles requiring a working individual (like conscription where you can't refuse or it's a process requiring some proof of good reasons) may work.

    To increase as much as possible the technical complexity of influencing a society like an object.

    One can also (with reservations and limitations and very careful design) look at the Soviet system (one that really functioned in early 20s and late 80s).

    The key is nationwide participation. Electing someone else to represent you is just too risky with such crowd control means as available today.

    While the technology can be made public-controlled in the widest sense, so that not only a certain JD Vance could see where you are at every moment, but that you could see where he is as well. All state surveillance should be public. And there should be no state secrets.

    Swiss direct democracy is a better example than Soviet system.

  • Swiss direct democracy is a better example than Soviet system.

    Switzerland is small. Adapting its system for a bigger nation blindly might result in something like Turkey.

    But I've just refreshed my idea of its system and it's similar to what I'm describing, yes.

    The main difference is actually that Soviet system had a few levels of councils, the lower level electing the next, while in Swiss system there are three levels all elected directly.

    We know for sure that Stalin abused that property to gain power. And one can argue that Yeltsin did the same before dismantling it.

  • I have read the article, and I got your point before, and I still think that it's totally moot and besides the point.

    If they had been two total randos, say Max the car repair man cheating with Mandy the receptionist, then nobody would have even tried to recognize them. Not with social media, not with facial recognition not with anything else.

    And even if Peter, the coworker of Max and Mandy would have recognized them, he'd maybe have told their partners, or he might have made fun of them at work, but that's it. Because these people don't matter.

    To get back to your example: Somebody took a picture of you. Ok. Now what? Did that picture go viral on social media? Did that picture make it into international news? No. Because you don't matter.

    And you said it yourself:

    Shit, my workplace couldn't even identify the people who walked in the front door and stole stuff and walked out. The police could see their faces clearly in the security footage, but they weren't from around here and no one knew who they were.

    They could have identified me, that's the point.

    We couldn't identify the criminals because that example was before facial recognition.

    You read the article but you still don't get it.

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    Incredibly well said. And couldn't agree more! Especially after working as a game dev for Apple Arcade. We spent months proving to them their saving architecture was faulty and would lead to people losing their save file for each Apple Arcade game they play. We were ignored, and then told it was a dev problem. Cut to the launch of Arcade: every single game has several 1 star reviews about players losing their save files. This cannot be fixed by devs as it's an Apple problem, so devs have to figure out novel ways to prevent the issue from happening using their own time and resources. 1.5 years later, Apple finishes restructuring the entire backend of Arcade, fixing the problem. They tell all their devs to reimplement the saving architecture of their games to be compliant with Apples new backend or get booted from Arcade. This costs devs months of time to complete for literally zero return (Apple Arcade deals are upfront - little to no revenue is seen after launch). Apple used their trillions of dollars to ignore a massive backend issue that affected every player and developer on Apple Arcade. They then forced every dev to make an update to their game at their own expense just to keep it listed on Arcade. All while directing user frustration over the issue towards developers instead of taking accountability for launching a faulty product. Literally, these companies are run by sociopaths that have egos bigger than their paychecks. Issues like this are ignored as it's easier to place the blame on someone down the line. People like your manager end up getting promoted to the top of an office heirachy of bullshit, and everything the company makes just gets worse until whatever corpse is left is sold for parts to whatever bigger dumb company hasn't collapsed yet. It's really painful to watch, and even more painful to work with these idiots.
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    Deserved it. Shouldn't have beem a racist xenophobe. Hate speech and incitement of violence is not legally protected in the UK. All those far-right rioters deserves prison.
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