The trick is for everyone on the seesaw to move as far away as possible from AI, then it'll balance or tilt in favour of the people

I think just about everyone who is not an executive at a tech company is highly skeptical of AI.

I don’t blame them for being skeptical. Anything that corporations/rich people are enthusiastic about usually ends up screwing them.

Makes sense given that AI has been trained on all the prejudiced blatherings of humanity so far, and it just tries to imitate what it has seen. Yet it's being used to make decisions as if it's some wise oracle.

You'd hope, and yet I've had people on Lemmy give me shit for being overtly anti-llm

I hate that it’s being shoved into anything and everything right now, but saying you’re “overtly anti-llm” seems a bit over dramatic to me. LLMs are a tool like anything else. Used properly and in the right situation, they can be very helpful.

They're mostly not being used for that and they come at a huge cost

My problem with LLMs is that they're expert pattern matchers and little else.

Ask them the integral from 1-5 of ln(x) and they're sure to screw it up.

They'll give you something that sounds like the right answer, but their explanations are nonsense.

They checked to see whether or not they had Lemmy accounts.

Cold readings, like a psychic, is how I recently heard them referred to as.

I'm overtly anti-llm. I don't think it's dramatic at all to be so.

Enough has come out about how much power and water datacenters used to train and run it consume, people being driven insane by it, investors hoping to displace jobs with it, how over reliance on it diminishes your mental faculties, people from minors to adults using it to create deepfake porn of minors (literally it's on lemmy rn https://lemmy.ml/post/32581009), its use in overt misinformation (particularly from our modern warzones and disaster areas), overt theft of writing and artistry to train these things, and last but not least: limitless spam.

I'm affected by most of those things indirectly, but the spam affects me daily. Can't search for something on the net anymore without being served f-tier LLM-produced garbage.

So what are the good parts? Doesn't seem like they outweigh these bad parts, whatever they are.

I use AI daily and find it useful as a tool. Its also frustrating in its current state. The disgusting default buttlick responses, trying to please the user with fake polite drool.
And then the many, many mistakes.

And it's a new tool, so yea it need to ripen....

And that means to go all in on a company strategic level of AI as a technology is dumb.

When building a product the problem the product solves is to be the center of the work. Not the technology used to achieve the solution.

I've got some bad news for you. They will never fix the mistakes as it cannot reason, it has no actual intelligence. LLMs are already plateauing and are miles away from being trustworthy. And they steal copyrighted work every request

All Americans are, ya nitwits

There it is. Reason. Machines can't reason. Not one. They can fake it. They can mimic. But they cannot reason and never will

Remember how a few years ago 3d displays and VR were being shoved in everyone's faces? I can see the current "AI" trend going the same way.

As skeptical as I am, I'm feeling pressure to join the BS train on this. It's literally all over LinkedIn... Even though I'm sure it's all mostly bullshit, it doesn't matter that I think. What matters is that this is where billionaires are dumping their money so I need to be in a position to get some of it or I may not be able to be gainfully employed in 10 years.

Most of these arguments were made for computers back when they were gaining popularity fyi.

The people outsourcing their thinking to LLMs weren’t gonna do much thinking in the first place. And honestly once you use them for a while you quickly realize what their good uses are and what are their limitations and thinking is not its strong suit. But it’s great at sorting large data and making it digestible. Or writing corpo copy that was devoid of meaning anyways.

Remember that a hammer can kill a person just as well as it can build a house.

Now I agree that it is annoying that it is being shoved into everything without any good reason, but the market will sort that out. What you are seeing is everyone rushing into a nascent market before it ossifies and shakes everyone except one or two winners. In 10 years I’m sure LLMs will be more like you have one that you plug into every service you use and it will be provided by one of a handful of companies who are the only ones capable of profiting from this because of the economies of scales it requires to work. Ergo not very different from every other tech rush that has happened in history.

LLMs are tools, simple as. Being a Luddite, screaming and kicking and crying over them is not gonna make it go away any more than boomers crying over computers have managed to make computers go away.

There's a difference between healthy skepticism and invalid, knee-jerk opposition.

LLMs are a useful tool sometimes, and I use them for refining general ideas into specific things to research, and they're pretty good at that. Sure, what they output isn't trustworthy on its own, but I can pretty easily verify most of what it spits out, and it does a great job of spitting out a lot of stuff that's related to what I asked.

For example, I'm a SW dev, so I'll often ask it stuff like, "compare and contrast popular projects that do X", and it'll find a few for me and give easily-verifiable details about each one. Sometimes it's wrong on one or two details, but it gives me enough to decide which ones I want to look more deeply into. Or I'll do some greenfield research into a topic I'm not familiar with, and it does a fantastic job of pulling out keywords and other domain-specific stuff that help refine what I search for.

LLMs do a lot less than their proponents claim, but they also do a lot more than detractors claim. They're a useful tool if you understand the limitations and have a rough idea of how they work. They're a terrible tool if you buy into the BS coming from the large corps pushing them. I will absolutely push back against people on both extremes.

VR is still cool and will probably always be cool, but I doubt it'll never be mainstream. 3D was just awkward, and they really just wanted VR but the tech wasn't there yet.

I own neither, yet I've been considering VR for a few years now, just waiting for more headsets to have proper Linux support before I get one.

Likewise, I'm not paying for LLMs, but I do use the ones my workplace provides. They're useful sometimes, and it's nice to have them as an option when I hit a wall or something. I think they're interesting and useful, but not nearly as powerful as the big corporations want you to think.