North Korea sent me abroad to be a secret IT worker. My wages funded the regime
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I'm not doubting the N Korean scheme to infiltrate IT jobs. There's even that woman who was prosecuted (I think she lived in Arizona?) because she is one person who acted as a facilitator for this scheme. My point is the BBC ran a story with an "anonymous" source then admits in the middle that they couldn't substantiate any of the claims. That's the problem here.
Okay, my mistake, i misinterpreted it. To be fair with BBC, they point out in the title and article that this is just some transcript of someone anonymous, and they try to tie each allegation with reports from other sources to back up their likeliness. I guess it's the best you can do with someone anonymous ? Revealing the company, dates, or town might compromise the anonymity. I have this low-key uncomfortable feeling of "well, there's nothing that proves it" with most anonymous reports i read or hear, even when it's for events that are common otherwise.
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Okay, my mistake, i misinterpreted it. To be fair with BBC, they point out in the title and article that this is just some transcript of someone anonymous, and they try to tie each allegation with reports from other sources to back up their likeliness. I guess it's the best you can do with someone anonymous ? Revealing the company, dates, or town might compromise the anonymity. I have this low-key uncomfortable feeling of "well, there's nothing that proves it" with most anonymous reports i read or hear, even when it's for events that are common otherwise.
In cases like these the journalists can and often do say something to the effect of they were able to corroborate the claims. But you're super right about being careful, because they also can mishandle the data they receive to the point where they dox the anonymous source, too. That's what happened with Reality Winner and The Intercept. They botched it, and she was arrested.
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You're not addressing the fact that BBC admits they didn't/couldn't substantiate his claims, which apparently is no problem for your own journalistic standards.
Why would i address that?
Was i ordered to adress anything other than what I've already commented on?Have I been compelled to address it?
Do i believe in any way that NK isn't unfortunately a shithole fascist dictatorship of a country?
Do i feel bad for you for wanting to think NK is a theme park sunday stroll paradise?
No.
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Why would i address that?
Was i ordered to adress anything other than what I've already commented on?Have I been compelled to address it?
Do i believe in any way that NK isn't unfortunately a shithole fascist dictatorship of a country?
Do i feel bad for you for wanting to think NK is a theme park sunday stroll paradise?
No.
You're tedious and annoying.
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How many forensic scientists did it take to work that one out?
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You're not addressing the fact that BBC admits they didn't/couldn't substantiate his claims, which apparently is no problem for your own journalistic standards.
They are reporting on what he told them. Would you expect a news outlet to be able to somehow verify the testimony of a prisoner of war before reporting on it?
The title and article both make it clear that they are reporting his story.
Additionally, the rest of the article - including the ones before and after your quote - discusses numerous cases of other similar scenarios.
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I dont understand one thing, if North Korea does not even have good computers how do they train their agents?
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You're tedious and annoying.
If tedious and annoying means you can't handle reality, yes, yes I am.
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It's no longer interesting because it's probably bullshit - which is par for the course for these CIA cutouts. These are the same groups that push absurd ideas about state-mandated haircuts, Kim Jong Un dying, that Kim Jong Un executed his ex, that North Korea banned sarcasm, that Kim Jong Il claims he once shot 11 straight holes in one, etc... these pieces get absolutely eaten up by western liberals who, in the next breath, will call citizens of the DPRK the most propagandized on earth.
Lol another ml that thinks NK is a paradise
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They are reporting on what he told them. Would you expect a news outlet to be able to somehow verify the testimony of a prisoner of war before reporting on it?
The title and article both make it clear that they are reporting his story.
Additionally, the rest of the article - including the ones before and after your quote - discusses numerous cases of other similar scenarios.
Would you expect a news outlet to be able to somehow verify the testimony of a prisoner of war before reporting on it?
"If the circumstance were different would you expect something different?" is what you are asking me. The interviewee isn't a POW, but a defector. And not an escapee, because according to the article he was already sent abroad, so it's not like he fled with merely the clothes on his back and a story to tell. So I would presume he would have a bit more evidence to share with the BBC than just a story, just as many of the people responding to me seem to presume that because it's been reported by the BBC it's prima facie undeniably true.
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Wait... you're doubtful because it's coming from a anti-NK instance? A pay stub is just going to show he worked. He could have bought and sent bitcoin or done so with cash drop offs. Why does this story magically no longer become interesting because of a group that helps defected NKs?
Why does this story magically no longer become interesting because of a group that helps defected NKs?
There is nothing magic about it. The organization that's cited isn't the problem. The problem is the BBC cites that org as proof that this person's claims are true. But neither that org nor the BBC have said, "we have corroborated Jin-su's story." On the contrary, the BBC just admits they didn't or couldn't corroborate the story themselves. So in my mind I may as well have read this article on any rando's blog post, or in the NYT in 2001 under a Judith Miller byline. It lacks credence.
I wouldn't have had anything to say if BBC said that they reviewed some documents that showed Jin-su's claim. Maybe a few of the "hundreds" of fake IDs that he used, for example. But instead they just read another testimony from PSCORE. Was that other testimony verified? They don't bother explaining. So they just use an unverified testimony from PSCORE and pass that off to make the reader believe that that's good enough in place of actually verifying Jin-su's testimony!
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I guess because Russia and China, the countries they worked in, think Westerners can code better than North Koreans?
I don't know if I'd call it a scam so much as slavery.
The article says he worked from China, for US and European companies. Which explains both the pay difference and the concern about the sanctions.
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I dont understand one thing, if North Korea does not even have good computers how do they train their agents?
Didn't they get a lot of computer hardware from Russia recently?
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Tankies just aren't serious people.
On second thought let's not go to lemmy.ml. It is a silly place.
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I dont understand one thing, if North Korea does not even have good computers how do they train their agents?
No need for good computers to train agents. They don't need to play crysis to train as hackers. Something on the level of a Pi (or more accurately of a 2010 laptop) is good enough.
