Former GM Executive: BYD cars are good in terms of design, features, price, quality. If we let BYD into the U.S. market, it could end up destroying american manufacturers
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But it would also help american people. Which is more important, I wonder.
Stop giving them more reasons not to allow it
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Tariffs be damned, I will not buy an American brand car. They've been mediocre my whole life and it's always been easier to source parts for Hondas and Toyotas. I'm not sure how repairable any EV is, but I doubt American brands will top the charts of value in repairability in my lifetime
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By "legacy manufacturers" you mean every major auto manufacturer in the world that isn't based in China?Nobody else is selling new cars for as little as $4k because other countries aren't using slave labor in mines and factory floors. It's impossible to compete against that unless you engage in it yourself.
Yet Chinese cars that meet US standards are quite a bit more than that. Where such vehicles are sold in developed markets, they are more like €30-40k
By “legacy manufacturers” I mean those who are stuck on internal combustion engines, and focusing on large trucks and luxury trims.
Average new car price in the US has greatly outpaced inflation and is currently almost $50k, closing in on a full year gross average income. Most people can’t afford that. For that rice you get old technology engine, old technology transmission, same features we’ve had for years.
Yet a replacement for my Subaru is much cheaper, only a little over what I paid nine years ago. It has safety features, electronics, and transmission more innovative than us made cars costing twice as much. Many more people can afford this vehicle, and it’s similar in price to what Chinese cars are selling for in Europe.
We don’t need to compete with $4k cars. We need to compete with cars affordable on average salaries, with new features and unique capabilities.
While the transition to electric vehicles has been politicized, it’s coming and it’s inexorable. “Legacy manufacturers” are those avoiding that change
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So even Canada has lower labor costs because of universal healthcare.
Yeah it turns out having infrastru'ture wnd a society is, like, efficient and stuff.
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Sadly, I think it was Biden that put a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs. Fuck Trump, but come on, Biden, don't do this shit for them. I really like that new Xiaomi YU7.
The issue is not so simple. Blocking BYD has a lot to do with protecting American manufacturing jobs. That's not to say Biden's tariff was the right answer. But it is a more complicated problem to solve than it appears from the perspective of a single car buyer.
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Tariffs be damned, I will not buy an American brand car. They've been mediocre my whole life and it's always been easier to source parts for Hondas and Toyotas. I'm not sure how repairable any EV is, but I doubt American brands will top the charts of value in repairability in my lifetime
American made car? Ya, I own a Toyota Sienna. And ya, I don't think I'd buy an American brand again.
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Well, the US did have the slate truck coming up for really barebones options... But tariffs ruined that for now. Some of the lower budget Korean EVs have limited/optional connectivity.
Eh, we'll see how that turns out. If they can release here at the price point they wanted ($25k-ish), I'd probably get one.
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At the end of the day, none of that’s legitimate, it’s just an excuse to buy the car you prefer.
Since when is buying what we prefer considered negative? Calling it an excuse seems short-sighted.
Buying what you prefer itself isn't an issue, but that should be the reason instead of "I need it because X, Y, Z." Most truck/SUV owners don't need a truck/SUV, they just want one.
My issue with trucks and SUVs are that they make the road more dangerous, since there's only so much a car manufacturer can do to protect against a vehicle more than twice as massive. That, and they're artificially cheap here in the US because of stupid regulations intended for farmers that got applied to them to reduce emissions standards.
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American made car? Ya, I own a Toyota Sienna. And ya, I don't think I'd buy an American brand again.
How do you like it? It's on my short list for my next car.
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Eh, we'll see how that turns out. If they can release here at the price point they wanted ($25k-ish), I'd probably get one.
If budget is the top of your list, EVs currently have high depreciation. You can easily find 2-year old EVs with low mileage for 50% off MSRP.
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I didn't say it's the same system, there are several different ways and degrees in which modern slavery exists. Trapping and exploiting migrant/seasonal workers is another popular one. Modern slavery exists from the US to Brazil, China/central Asia, Russia, Türkiye, even in parts of western Europe you'll find it in smaller or less obvious amounts.
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The 2023 Global Slavery Index provides an assessment of 160 countries, including an estimation of the number of people living in modern slavery, the extent to which a country’s population is vulnerable to modern slavery, and an examination of how well governments are responding to modern slavery.
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You're talking to a troll btw
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Yup and paying insane amounts of money to get in, too.
wow what an argument.
I bet you never went there, it shows -
You're talking to a troll btw
piss off loser, you've been dealth with and should hide under a rock in shame where you belong.
You're literally an insect.
Your comment history proves it.
lay down and die already vermin.
Do i need to bloxk your annoying peasant ass or will you get in the gutter where you belong? -
Capitalism is all about competition unless it's not.
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wow what an argument.
I bet you never went there, it showsApologies if English isn't your first language it's called reading between the lines.
Ill draw it out for you: If people would pay that much (yes insane) money to go to "shit" and mediocre institutions here in the states, what does it say about the options they have locally?
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Tariffs be damned, I will not buy an American brand car. They've been mediocre my whole life and it's always been easier to source parts for Hondas and Toyotas. I'm not sure how repairable any EV is, but I doubt American brands will top the charts of value in repairability in my lifetime
I'm not sure how repairable EVs are either, since my 2013 Leaf never needed repairs in 12 years. Just tires and wiper blades.
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Did you forget all the bailouts US car manufacturers received?
To clarify, the bailouts of US car companies were Chrysler around 1980 and GM and Chrysler around 2008. To help them avoid bankruptcy and the resulting loss of jobs, they received loan guarantees (like having a cosigner) and direct loans, all of which they paid back. I think the public generally has a misconception that a corporate "bailout" means they just giving them money, but it doesn't.
Note - I'm not trying to convince you not to hate corporations, and there's no need for a lecture on how evil they are, I know they are. Just clarifying that one topic.
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Beijing has the highest hourly minimum wage (RMB 26.4/US$3.7 per hour)
Glad you learned something!
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To clarify, the bailouts of US car companies were Chrysler around 1980 and GM and Chrysler around 2008. To help them avoid bankruptcy and the resulting loss of jobs, they received loan guarantees (like having a cosigner) and direct loans, all of which they paid back. I think the public generally has a misconception that a corporate "bailout" means they just giving them money, but it doesn't.
Note - I'm not trying to convince you not to hate corporations, and there's no need for a lecture on how evil they are, I know they are. Just clarifying that one topic.
The program started under W and ended under Obama and I think at the end the government actually made money off the deal.
Don't confuse this with the COVID PPP loans that were given out by Trump, forgiven by Trump, and then had a lot of the records about them destroyed by Trump.
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Capitalism is all about competition unless it's not.
Would be great if the competition was not about stealing others' technologies
