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    So it's working as planned?

  • where is the user error? is this user error with us in the room?

    Fully overwriting an SSD is so archaic.

    Example from hdparm:

    --trim-sector-range
    For Solid State Drives (SSDs). EXCEPTIONALLY DANGEROUS. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION!! Tells the drive firmware to discard unneeded data sectors, destroying any data that may have been present within them. This makes those sectors available for immediate use by the firmware's garbage collection mechanism, to improve scheduling for wear-leveling of the flash media. This option expects one or more sector range pairs immediately after the option: an LBA starting address, a colon, and a sector count (max 65535), with no intervening spaces. EXCEPTIONALLY DANGER‐ OUS. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION!!

    I think the all caps warnings say it all.
    This is only for the trim sectors of the disk but I can't imagine it being much different overwriting a whole disk.
    Not to mention, as OP said, an old and very used disk.
    Quick formatting should be enough to prevent any normal user from extracting meaningful data from the flash storage as only the controller knows how to piece together the flash cells to a file.
    If the controller forgets it, the files are toast anyway.
    At best write some random data to a quarter of the disk or something lile that.

    File recovery may only be possible if you give it to a drive recovery facility. But remember: Those ain't exactly cheap.
    A client paid some 4 figure price because an HDD died. Just for a small amount of files.

  • lol Another Reddit user, with nothing to offer but projection. Being in the game 20+ years, matey. If theres problems, I have skills to solve them. Just because you dont know your arse from your elbow, doesnt mean everyone else is the same. Go cry about MS's spyware some place else.

    🤣 literally everything you said is wrong but good try I guess. Only 20+ years? Amateur.

    You’re the one crying about their “spyware”, not me. How do you not see that?

  • So you're saying Linux killed your wife's grandparents.

    Now that would be a funny headline.

    No sadly COVID lockdown isolation did them in. I've never seen minds and bodies decay so fast. I have another friend who developed full-blown psychosis from it too, and at this point it looks like he's never coming back. The lockdowns were harder on some people than we were/are ready to talk about I think.

  • Doctors try to save everyone, even the 0.01%. Hell, the 0.01% are actually a huge focu**s.

    BULLSHIT

    I am all ears as to your logic here lol. Can’t wait to hear this wonderful tale. Please, do tell.

  • Then I guess they don't exist.

    Unlucky for you then. I’m gonna be having an absolute blast on Battlefield 6 in a few months 😀

  • 🤣 literally everything you said is wrong but good try I guess. Only 20+ years? Amateur.

    You’re the one crying about their “spyware”, not me. How do you not see that?

    Im not crying about it, as I dont have any of it. Youre the one crying, and shilling, and painting anyone who doesnt bend the knee to them is going to cry without all those amazing core features... Absolute reddit moment.

  • I watched the first minute or so, which was about their stock price relative to Microsoft. Profitability is a huge part of a company's stock price.

    I didn't watch the rest because I'm not going to watch a 30 min video without a good reason to.

    TL;DR: Under Jobs, Apple focused on engineering products and the profitability and stock price followed. Under Cook, Apple focuses on stock price (dividends, stock buybacks) and is massively cutting R&D/Engineering costs to the point they did not release anything really new for years and their projects keep failing while also increasing prices. E.g. Siri that is unable to catch up to modern chatbots.

  • Cool, I don't care that its the industry standard, the industry standard is shit.

    Adapt, Improvise, Overcome!

    If a bunch of Boomers only know how to use Windows, and MS Office, its time for them to retire.

    Its not that hard to switch daily drive office work to a stable linux distro, and libreoffice.

    Yeah, it would be more difficult to switch over say, a full CRM solutiom, but uh, given how I've done exactly that at orgs I've worked at, uh, no, no, not impossible, quite doable actually.

    You are still going? You really aren't a nice person are you forcing your "opinion" on people... it is not financially viable in the UK to retire early any more

  • Agile has been a mistake for the software industry. It did nothing except to give executive more avenue to force changes to the software that are being developed and in the end it'll take a longer time to have production ready software when compared to traditional waterfall approach.

    It depends on the use case. For incremental changes and validation of hypotheses in an uncertain or new product Agile is great. It allows for fast valuation and fast pivoting. I would not recommend Agile for systems that are mostly known and need a big upgrade, that's not what its for.

    Agile became a buzzword and shouldn't have been implemented as widespread as it has. It does have its use cases though.

  • Im not crying about it, as I dont have any of it. Youre the one crying, and shilling, and painting anyone who doesnt bend the knee to them is going to cry without all those amazing core features... Absolute reddit moment.

    Cool imagination you got there kid.

  • TL;DR: Under Jobs, Apple focused on engineering products and the profitability and stock price followed. Under Cook, Apple focuses on stock price (dividends, stock buybacks) and is massively cutting R&D/Engineering costs to the point they did not release anything really new for years and their projects keep failing while also increasing prices. E.g. Siri that is unable to catch up to modern chatbots.

    Sure, that's an argument for why the stock price is suffering, not for why macOS is in danger. Apple is still massively profitable, the stock price just reflects the market's perception that profits won't increase as fast as their competitors.

  • Now that would be a funny headline.

    No sadly COVID lockdown isolation did them in. I've never seen minds and bodies decay so fast. I have another friend who developed full-blown psychosis from it too, and at this point it looks like he's never coming back. The lockdowns were harder on some people than we were/are ready to talk about I think.

    Yeah, it's honestly crazy to me because I think lockdowns were a net benefit to me. I was able to spend more time with my SO and kids, I had time for exercise and hobbies since I didn't need to sit in traffic, and I didn't need to spend as much social energy making small talk (I'm introverted). I honestly thrived during COVID. Getting COVID sucked for the week or so I had symptoms, but that was honestly a small price to pay for solitude.

    But then I see headlines of people literally going crazy, see a dramatic increase in road rage in my area (which didn't have lockdowns, only social distancing for businesses), and see my own extended family struggling.

    I feel so bad for people like your grandparents that suffered. I just personally wish the COVID lifestyle was more accessible.

  • You jest but would you really install Arch on your grandmother’s PC?

    Why not ? I suppose that as long as a browser (and whatever else she need) is working, my grandmother would not need much more. And I could also install a windows11 theme on KDE, if I really want to. A icon is a icon

    And in the end I think that my grandmother would be able to mantain neither a window machine, so I don't see the problem.

  • Sure, that's an argument for why the stock price is suffering, not for why macOS is in danger. Apple is still massively profitable, the stock price just reflects the market's perception that profits won't increase as fast as their competitors.

    Again, why are you so over focused on stock price? As a consumer, how is the first thing you take away from lack of innovation and engineering failures that Apples stock price may suffer and not that the machine you are buying may be sub-par and overpriced?

  • Again, why are you so over focused on stock price? As a consumer, how is the first thing you take away from lack of innovation and engineering failures that Apples stock price may suffer and not that the machine you are buying may be sub-par and overpriced?

    I'm agreeing w/ you that stock price is irrelevant here, and that's what the video opens with. The market is unhappy w/ Apple because they're delivering essentially what people claim to want: a solid product with steady improvements w/o anything crazy. Microsoft, on the other hand, is delivering what the market wants, which is shoving AI into everything.

    I guess I don't understand why the video is relevant to the average user, who doesn't really care about innovation and instead wants a consistent experience.

  • I'm agreeing w/ you that stock price is irrelevant here, and that's what the video opens with. The market is unhappy w/ Apple because they're delivering essentially what people claim to want: a solid product with steady improvements w/o anything crazy. Microsoft, on the other hand, is delivering what the market wants, which is shoving AI into everything.

    I guess I don't understand why the video is relevant to the average user, who doesn't really care about innovation and instead wants a consistent experience.

    I highly doubt there is a user that truly does not care for innovation. If there is a better product for the same price, who wouldn't buy it.

    More importantly, the impact is not just innovative features but security, price of ownership and reliability. Apple managed to "innovate" themselves into a position where they are obstructing data rescue on Macs and iPhones. That's the kind of thing you may not be thinking about when buying but may greatly regret not having when you need it.

  • Fully overwriting an SSD is so archaic.

    Example from hdparm:

    --trim-sector-range
    For Solid State Drives (SSDs). EXCEPTIONALLY DANGEROUS. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION!! Tells the drive firmware to discard unneeded data sectors, destroying any data that may have been present within them. This makes those sectors available for immediate use by the firmware's garbage collection mechanism, to improve scheduling for wear-leveling of the flash media. This option expects one or more sector range pairs immediately after the option: an LBA starting address, a colon, and a sector count (max 65535), with no intervening spaces. EXCEPTIONALLY DANGER‐ OUS. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION!!

    I think the all caps warnings say it all.
    This is only for the trim sectors of the disk but I can't imagine it being much different overwriting a whole disk.
    Not to mention, as OP said, an old and very used disk.
    Quick formatting should be enough to prevent any normal user from extracting meaningful data from the flash storage as only the controller knows how to piece together the flash cells to a file.
    If the controller forgets it, the files are toast anyway.
    At best write some random data to a quarter of the disk or something lile that.

    File recovery may only be possible if you give it to a drive recovery facility. But remember: Those ain't exactly cheap.
    A client paid some 4 figure price because an HDD died. Just for a small amount of files.

    @zer0bitz@lemmy.world did a SecureErase, which is an entirely different function. It was exactly made to be used in this scenario: user is selling their laptop.

    other than that, hdparm --trim-sector-range is most probably only marked dangerous because with a slight miscalculation you can wipe some of your data and you won't even know how much damage you did. I'm pretty sure the fstrim command relies on this, which is executed every few weeks on my system, by default. check systemctl status fstrim.timer, maybe on yours too.

    Quick formatting should be enough to prevent any normal user from extracting meaningful data from the flash storage as only the controller knows how to piece together the flash cells to a file.

    what do you mean by quick formatting? how do you do that on linux? I have only heard this term with te windows disk management tool.

    on windows quick formatting only deletes the partition entry from the partition table. that's why it's quick. all the former data is there and can be easily recovered, given you know the former partition boundaries, which can also be recovered by tools. the ssd controller won't know a thing, it won't forget where it should look for each LBA address.

  • Why not ? I suppose that as long as a browser (and whatever else she need) is working, my grandmother would not need much more. And I could also install a windows11 theme on KDE, if I really want to. A icon is a icon

    And in the end I think that my grandmother would be able to mantain neither a window machine, so I don't see the problem.

    I think most of the replies to my remark thought I was questioning Linux for grandma overall. I wasn’t. Just Arch. I don’t think grandma needs rolling releases.

  • Yeah, it's honestly crazy to me because I think lockdowns were a net benefit to me. I was able to spend more time with my SO and kids, I had time for exercise and hobbies since I didn't need to sit in traffic, and I didn't need to spend as much social energy making small talk (I'm introverted). I honestly thrived during COVID. Getting COVID sucked for the week or so I had symptoms, but that was honestly a small price to pay for solitude.

    But then I see headlines of people literally going crazy, see a dramatic increase in road rage in my area (which didn't have lockdowns, only social distancing for businesses), and see my own extended family struggling.

    I feel so bad for people like your grandparents that suffered. I just personally wish the COVID lifestyle was more accessible.

    I just personally wish the COVID lifestyle was more accessible.

    Same, it suited me quite well and I feel bad saying I missed it because so many others, including some of my own family and friends, suffered. Now that I'm back in the office 5 days a week, I lose >2 hours a day with my kids. I had my own parents say "i don't get why you're complaining, we got by before COVID" while refusing to acknowledge it's different because one of them stayed home with us, while my wife and I must both work to survive.

    I grew up in a religious conservative family. These and other experiences drove me to the left in a big way. I see now that thinking we can solve systemic issues with individualism is bullshit. I want a world where my wife or I could stay home (or some communal solution) to raise our family right rather than having a bunch of latchkey kids and being stuck doing chores from the moment we get home until the moment we lie down. Some people say "well that's how I was raised" but it isn't right.

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    As in, switch to Linux and learn to enjoy using computers again.
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