Salt Lake City, plans to implement AI-assisted 911 call triaging to handle ~30% of about 450K non-emergency calls per year
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You forgot the part where they’re also painfully understaffed. Automating things is not going to fix the issue.
I didn't forget that part. The article indicates that they have job openings that they are simply not getting applicants for. Throwing more money at staffing won't fix that, you can't magically spawn qualified people out of nothing.
I seem to be the only person in this thread who's actually reading and responding to the article, and every response I give instantly gets hit with downvotes. Do people simply want to be angry about AI, and so anything that might interfere with the purity of that anger is unwelcome? Maybe we should just have a daily thread with a title of simply "How about that AI, huh?" That people can post angry comments in without fear of meaningful interruption.
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Exactly how hell is the system going determine non and emergency calls. Didn't know when you call 911 you have to make choices. So is it like calling customer service?
I thought point 911 was I got a human immediately on the phone that can help me.
In an ideal world, if it's someone who immediately mentions that it's third time they've called this week about a neighbor having a dead tree in their garden, or someone's mad because someone else parked in "their" spot, someone's calling the fire department on someone having a bbq or someone's stubbed their toe, that sort of thing can get put way down the "call back later" list
Everything else gets put through to a person. In LA it's not unusual to wait 15+ minutes after you call 911; most cities are going to be shorter, and if the wait is under a minute, you don't need the AI triage. If you do have a wait and block out 25% of calls which are obviously a waste of time with AI, you can significantly reduce that (ideally in addition to hiring more operators, but let's be realistic...)
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I think the non-emergency number should be heavily advertised. I have no idea what the local one for me is (if it even exists)
Promoting that the nunber exists as a actual thing people should use is good, yeah.
The actual number isn't so important, though. If ever needed to call the non-emergency number I'd search it up, which fortunately I can do given I've got loads of time because it's not an emergency.
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AI is succeeding at exactly the things it's supposed to: laundering accountability and responsibility. This measure will succeed in accomplishing that. Not everyone is a true believer, a lot of them just see the possibility of using "super intelligent AI" as a smoke screen to completely hide the need for statistical deaths to drive profitability/reduce costs and the responsibility of making those decisions while shutting out the average person's ability to engage with any system beyond that AI smokescreen.
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In an ideal world, if it's someone who immediately mentions that it's third time they've called this week about a neighbor having a dead tree in their garden, or someone's mad because someone else parked in "their" spot, someone's calling the fire department on someone having a bbq or someone's stubbed their toe, that sort of thing can get put way down the "call back later" list
Everything else gets put through to a person. In LA it's not unusual to wait 15+ minutes after you call 911; most cities are going to be shorter, and if the wait is under a minute, you don't need the AI triage. If you do have a wait and block out 25% of calls which are obviously a waste of time with AI, you can significantly reduce that (ideally in addition to hiring more operators, but let's be realistic...)
Don't start your statement off like that. I get where you are coming from but we aren't like the next road over from ideal, we went off grid 17 turns ago. This shit will be used to cut staff. End of story. It will be used irresponsibly.
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In an ideal world, if it's someone who immediately mentions that it's third time they've called this week about a neighbor having a dead tree in their garden, or someone's mad because someone else parked in "their" spot, someone's calling the fire department on someone having a bbq or someone's stubbed their toe, that sort of thing can get put way down the "call back later" list
Everything else gets put through to a person. In LA it's not unusual to wait 15+ minutes after you call 911; most cities are going to be shorter, and if the wait is under a minute, you don't need the AI triage. If you do have a wait and block out 25% of calls which are obviously a waste of time with AI, you can significantly reduce that (ideally in addition to hiring more operators, but let's be realistic...)
It's not an emergency if it can wait 15 minutes. So the line just doesn't work for its intended purpose. That's extraordinary failure.
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I didn't forget that part. The article indicates that they have job openings that they are simply not getting applicants for. Throwing more money at staffing won't fix that, you can't magically spawn qualified people out of nothing.
I seem to be the only person in this thread who's actually reading and responding to the article, and every response I give instantly gets hit with downvotes. Do people simply want to be angry about AI, and so anything that might interfere with the purity of that anger is unwelcome? Maybe we should just have a daily thread with a title of simply "How about that AI, huh?" That people can post angry comments in without fear of meaningful interruption.
Just because you supposedly read the article, doesn’t dismiss our concerns.
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Read the article.
Kehoe countered that the AI system would interact only with nonemergency callers and that emergency calls to 911 would be routed only to human dispatchers. In fact, she added, “on nonemergency calls, it might detect those elevated stress levels [for callers] and it will automatically default going to a human being as well.”
“There are a lot of safeguards,” Kehoe added, “to ensure that even with the tiniest bit of doubt, we don’t have someone just sitting on the phone and not getting help.”
The AI system will only reroute calls that it can determine are not emergency calls. The default will be to let the calls through to the human staff. It's not going to be some sort of primitive "press 1 if you are currently on fire" menu system.
the AI system would interact only with nonemergency callers and that emergency calls to 911 would be routed only to human dispatchers
Who makes this determination?
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Kehoe countered that the AI system would interact only with nonemergency callers and that emergency calls to 911 would be routed only to human dispatchers. In fact, she added, “on nonemergency calls, it might detect those elevated stress levels [for callers] and it will automatically default going to a human being as well.”
Are nonemergency calls coming in through a separate number or are they still coming in through the 911 number? I thought nonemergency calls come through a separate number but i only see references to 911 in this article. So which is it? If you call 911 and get an AI then that's terrible. If this is for a dedicated nonemergency line then this sounds great.
My local PD has a non emergency number, but it is almost always answered by 911.
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Next, all stealth bombers will be upgraded to AI, making them fully unmanned.
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Contracted to a private corporation, of course.
Great. I always wanted a premium 911 subscription. If the lines are full it just disconnects somebody and connects me instead.
19.99/month for an operator with a decent microphone.
79.99/month for 2 operators at the same time.
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SLC has a glut of qualified people that could staff these offices, the fact they only got a 4% COL raise this year tells you most of why they might have trouble keeping people. The COL of SLC has absolutely skyrocketed since 2019.
But that's actually besides the point, you know the real joke about this, they say there are 15 open positions, yet when you search for dispatch job postings, they don't list any, that's from their own site – only if you dig through SLC's specific job portal do you even find a single posting for dispatch.
Maybe they should spend less time on AI and more time trying to hire actual people.
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Modern AI is not a "virtual roulette wheel."
And if you'll read the article, it mentions that they don't have enough staff to handle all the calls they're getting. They have job openings that people simply aren't applying for, it's not a question of funding. They're getting too many phone calls to handle and many of those phone calls should not be going to them in the first place. What should they do?
Pay more and more people apply. Also fine folk for misuse of emergency number time.
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Have many emergencies that aren't transferred does there have to be before it's unacceptable? I'd say if one person calls with an emergency, gets AI, and doesn't get transferred, then the entire system is failed and someone should go to jail.
What is wrong with the current setup? I bet a person can direct non emergency traffic faster than any AI, because they can actually comprehend a person and think. It's not broken, someone is just about to make a fuck load of money at the expense of people not getting through to emergency services.
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Promoting that the nunber exists as a actual thing people should use is good, yeah.
The actual number isn't so important, though. If ever needed to call the non-emergency number I'd search it up, which fortunately I can do given I've got loads of time because it's not an emergency.
I would bet there are large swaths of people that don't know there is a nonemergency number to look up.
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If there's an insistence on AI for any reason, which almost always comes down to $$$, then have people transfer non emergency to the AI. First contact should be to a person 100% of the time.
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Just because you supposedly read the article, doesn’t dismiss our concerns.
No, but I think a minimal threshold for giving those concerns consideration should be some indication that the people with those concerns have read the article.
Glitchvid, for example, has actually gone to the trouble to search job listings on their site. That is a sign of concern worth considering. First one I've seen in this thread.
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the AI system would interact only with nonemergency callers and that emergency calls to 911 would be routed only to human dispatchers
Who makes this determination?
Again, did you read the article?
Or even the comment I wrote that you are responding to right now? I said the answer to this in the comment you're responding to.
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Have many emergencies that aren't transferred does there have to be before it's unacceptable? I'd say if one person calls with an emergency, gets AI, and doesn't get transferred, then the entire system is failed and someone should go to jail.
What is wrong with the current setup? I bet a person can direct non emergency traffic faster than any AI, because they can actually comprehend a person and think. It's not broken, someone is just about to make a fuck load of money at the expense of people not getting through to emergency services.
I'd say if one person calls with an emergency, gets AI, and doesn't get transferred, then the entire system is failed and someone should go to jail.
Alright, let's go with that standard for purposes of argument.
If one person calls the emergency line with an emergency and doesn't get through because the human dispatchers are currently overwhelmed with non-emergency calls, does that mean the entire current system is failed and someone should go to jail?
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It's not an emergency if it can wait 15 minutes. So the line just doesn't work for its intended purpose. That's extraordinary failure.
Just wait until you realize that extraordinary failure oozes into everything
