The Arc Browser Is Dead
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Because 96% of people aren't using Linux to browse the web.
it couldn't be too popular as a windows only project. I assume it was too lite known, like I never even heard about it here or other places
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It’s dead and they’re replacing it with an AI-first browser. Gross.
If you want the main things Arc gives you (vertical tabs, tab groups), you can get them with Firefox or a Firefox spinoff like Librewolf.
tab groups in firefox are surprisingly good! even alongside a tab group management addon. they complement each other, like when you don't want to create a bunch of subgroups for an exclusive view but just collapse them
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Why do people want vertical tabs? It feels as if it just takes up more space, and my muscle memory after all these years makes me move to the top. I always go back to horizontal tabs after using vertical tabs for a day.
because when you have more than 8 tabs open on a horizontal tab row, the tab handles start to become narrower and tab titles become unreadable and almost useless. with vertical tabs tab titles can be as long as you see fit, and the tab title does not take away space from other tab handles so more can fit. essentially its more space efficient I think.
but I don't use it because my firefox theme breaks down when I set up vertical tabs, and everything will be white, even though I don't even use userchrome customizations
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You can set them up so they only deploy when tapping the sidebar icon and stay hidden otherwise, which is my compromise for that. I thought it'd take me longer to adapt to that when moving back to Zen, but since the top bar does deploy on proximity when using fullscreen I find it's pretty intuitive to deploy and hide them both on mouse and touch, and I have to admit that not having them deploy accidentally when hidden is actually nice.
I do like the vertical tab pins better on Firefox, and with the new tab grouping being supported on vertical tabs I am quite happy with the setup. It takes longer to set up the way I want it compared to Zen, but honestly, I'm quite happy with it now. I'd have considered going back because more alternatives is better, but frankly Zen just had too many significant bugs in my time with it, and since it doesn't just use the engine, but it's also hooked up to Firefox's account system for a bunch of stuff it just didn't seem worth the hassle. Have they polished it up any in the past few months?
well, i don’t know the last state you know, but they added a floating search bar, which is pretty, but not beneficial beyond that i think. they added a default shortcut for copying the current webaddress which i sorely miss on mullvad.
besides i dont think they added any major features i would’ve noticed, but it feels like a very stable experience atm, both on linux and macos. -
You should try the Shimmer userchrome tweaks along with the Sideberry extension. With both of them it's even better than Zen IMO.
thanks a lot, i’ll check them out!
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It probably has something to do with being only available on Macs for so long.
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Why do people want vertical tabs? It feels as if it just takes up more space, and my muscle memory after all these years makes me move to the top. I always go back to horizontal tabs after using vertical tabs for a day.
I prefer the overview I get with them. I’m on an ultrawide monitor so it’s not like I’m sacrificing horizontal space either.
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I really liked the layout of Arc, but ended up going back to Firefox because uBlock still works on it.
Try Zen, it used Arc as its main inspiration for the UI and features
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Firefox vertical tabs are lackluster though, you don't have pinned and essential tabs on FF, and you also miss out on Glance (the pop out link feature), basically the main features it copied from Arc. Honestly it's been very stable for me, and it's matured enough that I'd recommend giving it another shot.
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Zen is a lot more than just vertical tabs. And I have never run into any "pains and bugs".
Same. I've been using it daily for the best part of a year and it's been pretty pleasant to use throughout.
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Isn’t kagi's point that they store very little about you to the point there no search history and you have to pay for the service provided?
According to them.
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Because 96% of people aren't using Linux to browse the web.
That figure is entirely irrelevant when you need to target users who are willing to try a new unknown third party browser in the first place.
And you'll find orders of magnitude more of those among Linux users than you do on Mac, which is where Arc launched on. -
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Never heard of that thing, but apparently it was Apple exclusives? Deserved death then.
I'm hoping ladybug will be operational for mainstream use, before the enshittification of Firefox progresses too far.
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I prefer the overview I get with them. I’m on an ultrawide monitor so it’s not like I’m sacrificing horizontal space either.
Yeah, on a widescreen or 4K, I can see the appeal.
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That figure is entirely irrelevant when you need to target users who are willing to try a new unknown third party browser in the first place.
And you'll find orders of magnitude more of those among Linux users than you do on Mac, which is where Arc launched on.LOL no. 96% is not irrelevant. 4% is irrelevant.
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I hated arc but I really really wanted to like it. It was just too awkward to use
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So, no Windows, no Linux, no head?
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Also Zen exists, which is a Firefox fork that implements the concept of Arc
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It’s dead and they’re replacing it with an AI-first browser. Gross.
If you want the main things Arc gives you (vertical tabs, tab groups), you can get them with Firefox or a Firefox spinoff like Librewolf.
They're obviously going for a zero adoption policy and trying to think of the most repulsive options
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No shit it died. They stopped supporting it and on top of it it’s a browser that requires you to be logged into an account to use, which is a turnoff to techie people who are the most likely to adopt nee things early.
Oh and Microsoft Edge can do most of the things Arc does.
When i left Chrome, one of the things I was looking for was vertical tabs and was willing to try anything. I wasn't fond of a mac first option, but I decided to try it. Installed it and the first thing it did was to force me to make an account, uninstalled it instantly.
I'm not against the option of having an account, but forcing it makes me distrust them. Was not long after that there were also some major security flaws found as well. They really didn't make it easy for people to change, almost like they thought the apple form over function would appeal more broadly.
