other way around. Whatsapp is a signal clone.

Mossad angry

I get what you mean and it's a fair point. But I would still go with Meta as the most immediate threat in a war with the US.

As the ignorant I am, my understanding is that the phone manufacturer has a level of control on the way Android works and so it wouldn't be as easy for Google to access any individual Samsung or Xiaomi phone as it is for Meta with WhatsApp, an app they fully control with permissions to use (way too many) phone features regardless of brand.

Plus, getting both Google and Apple to cooperate and coordinate sounds harder to me than just going to one company, that is basically controlled by only one person.

They are probably using Xiaomi which is based in China, using AOSP with whatever mods they throw on it, which isn't based anywhere and is open source, or it could be Huawei too.

Huh? I was curious about this and looked up the wikis only. However, WhatsApp initial release was 16 years ago and Signal initial release was 10 years ago. It also appears in the history that WhatsApp had a version on iOS in 2009 while Signal didn’t have anything for Android until 2010 (under Whisper I believe).

I’m trying to figure out how either is a clone of the other when they were developed around the same times. It seems the idea was just a similar idea from two different entities.

Wouldn't want those pesky citizens having the ability to communicate securely, would we !

Signal is a much better choice and its basically a whatsapp clone.

Must be why signal runs on the WhatsApp protocol

The clone comment likely refers to the underlying architecture, as WhatsApp is using the signal protocol for its 'secured' messaging. Of the two, signal is the far superior choice for anyone not forced to live in Zucco's World. It's the more private option, and is secure by default unlike a lot of apps (namely, telegram).

WhatsApp (thankfully) is secure by default now according to Google, but it took them a hot minute to get to that point. That being said, you're still giving metadata to Zucc no matter what, which is still really bad to give the guy working on military AI...

Ah. Thank you for that bit of information. I didn’t go super deep because I was mostly just curious about the clone comment and learning a little more about each platform.

Yeah, that happens sometimes.

Communicate securely with WhatsApp? That's an oxymoron.