You think my dislike of Musk is all of spaceX. I don't want him ruining spaceX. Musk is responsible for the launch cadence that keeps exploding, if you'd like to make comparisons.

Absolute moron. You absolute moron. Once again my argument is about nationalizing a private company.

Is there anything that you'd like to talk about concerning that!

Wait a minute. It is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket exploding, they had their fair share of failures (and some even letal).

But the main difference is that SpaceX and NASA have different approaches: NASA cannot, for various polical reasons, tolerate a rocket exploding during a test, SpaceX can.
I would argue that NASA, in its current incarnation and political situation, would never be able to design, build and manage something like the Falcon 9.

So Musk is not ruining SpaceX with the Starship failures in my opinion, since it is inherent to SpaceX that way to work.

Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.

Stop cutting their funding

Stop electing stupid people and maybe you will get something.

and saying the earth is flat

Stop treating every opinion as worth of discussion even if it is clearly stupid.

and that global warming is a myth.

Start to propose some reasonable solutions and start to pass over the NIMBY syndrome.
(and no, only stopping to use ICE cars or fossil fuel is not a reasonable solution until you propose a sustainable alternative solution)

is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket exploding

dude english, wtf is this sentence even supposed to say? are you an LLM?

fucking hell.

Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.

again with the word salad. english better be your third or 4th language.

if you doubt his stupidity, then evaluate the logic of doing large amounts OF HORSE TRANQUALIZER WHILE MANAGING MULTIPLE COMPANIES AND LAUNCHING ROCKETS.

Come on, make that one make sense word salad llm

is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket exploding

dude english, wtf is this sentence even supposed to say? are you an LLM?

Nope, just a regular guy that do not speak English as first language.

But let me rephrase it, even if i am sure you understand what I mean.
When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.

Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.

again with the word salad. english better be your third or 4th language.

You are right. But again, I am sure you understand what I mean, but ok, let me rephrase also this.
Musk is sometime too borderline but I suppose that actually he really don't want to ruin his companies because, for bad as you can think about him, I think is not that stupid.

if you doubt his stupidity, then evaluate the logic of doing large amounts OF HORSE TRANQUALIZER WHILE MANAGING MULTIPLE COMPANIES AND LAUNCHING ROCKETS.

Come on, make that one make sense word salad llm

Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?
Again, you can think what you want about Musk himself, but the track record for SpaceX (over 250 launch in 2024) and Tesla (it demostrated something that every other car manufacturer deemed impossible) does not seems too bad.
And I would like to have an estimate about the "large amounts"

But feel free to attack my grammar and hate Musk.

Juno Jupiter flyby

But Juno went to Jupiter?

These programs require continuous funding. The probe went to Jupiter. The scientist and listening stations back on earth still have to run to receive the data.

Don't buy into the grifts. Dismantle them.

we should probably invest in making sure people have affordable housing, food, and healthcare before worrying about militarising space.

When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.

this is a specious comparison. NASA was racing the soviets using 1950 and 60's tech, and it cost lives, but there was a driving motivation for the tempo (kennedy's goal of humans on the moon first). There's no contemporary equivalent. And no NASA director was EVER ON HORSE DRUGS. Period.

Nor did any NASA director ever try to manage multiple fortune 500 companies WHILE on ketamine while DANCING AROUND WITH A CHAINSAW and fucking with our government.

Your comparison is invalid.

Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?

No, I think he's distorting the work of thousands of talented people (Shotwell down) for EGO. If he truly cared he'd step down.

None of this is complex. I'm glad you speak english well enough to reorder your thoughts in a comprehensible manner, but the premise remains unchanged. Musk represents a larger threat to SpaceX and NASA and the US than any potential benefit to those same parties.

I will feel free to attack musk, didn't need your permission but thanks!

When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.

this is a specious comparison. NASA was racing the soviets using 1950 and 60’s tech, and it cost lives, but there was a driving motivation for the tempo (kennedy’s goal of humans on the moon first). There’s no contemporary equivalent. And no NASA director was EVER ON HORSE DRUGS. Period.

Your comparison is invalid.

Only if you could link the fact that Musk is on horse drugs with the fact that Starship explodes.
The starting point was that I dismissed the point that Musk is ruining SpaceX (since Starship's test are not that good) and the fact that he is on drugs.

Nor did any NASA director ever try to manage multiple fortune 500 companies WHILE on ketamine while DANCING AROUND WITH A CHAINSAW and fucking with our government.

I don't see the problem: NASA was a state agency, SpaceX is private.
What I can see from here is that Musk is doing the right thing (trying to make the government more efficient and cheaper) using a completely wrong method, to which I agree.

Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?

No, I think he’s distorting the work of thousands of talented people (Shotwell down) for EGO. If he truly cared he’d step down.

I don't think it could do it anymore, at least not to the level you think.

Musk represents a larger threat to SpaceX and NASA and the US than any potential benefit to those same parties.

I am not sure. What I think from here (Europe) is that, as I said, Musk is doing the right thing in the wrong (very wrong) way if we speak about DOGE. If we speak about SpaceX and Tesla, well, it don't seems to do that bad after all.

I don’t see the problem: NASA was a state agency, SpaceX is private.

lives are literally at stake, grow the fuck up.

Elon Musk decided to wreck USAID. The death toll is ghoulish. This dickwad said "the fundamental weakness of western civilization is empathy".

If we speak about SpaceX and Tesla, well, it don’t seems to do that bad after all.

haha tesla is cratering in the EU and that cybertruck sure is a winner. pfft

Tesla's monthly sales in Europe plunge by almost 50% amid protests and backlash against Elon Musk

Tesla's brand is the focus of a backlash against CEO Elon Musk for his political views and involvement with President Trump's DOGE.

(www.cbsnews.com)

Cybertruck Sales Are So Bad That We Gasped

In the entire first quarter of 2025, Tesla has managed to sell just 7,100 Cybertrucks in the US, according to data from S&P Global Mobility.

Futurism (futurism.com)

You are so detached from reality it's disgusting. This discussion has been absolutely pointless.

I don’t see the problem: NASA was a state agency, SpaceX is private.

lives are literally at stake, grow the fuck up.

And incidentally SpaceX is the only US entity to have a ship certified for human flight. Where is the Dragon's equivalent of NASA ? Or any other company/state agency.

Elon Musk decided to wreck USAID. The death toll is ghoulish.

An agency created in the 1960's to fight URSS influence. Maybe it is time to let it go and start with something else, don't you think ?
Or maybe it is time that US start to think that without everyone else it is nothing and begin to be an reliable ally and not one that can change idea every 2 years.

This dickwad said “the fundamental weakness of western civilization is empathy”.

To be honest, empathy is something you should be aware of after a certain point.

But whatever...