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Study: Social media probably can’t be fixed

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  • I mean lemmy is pretty fucking neat, i love it here, no need to fix anything.

    BULLSHIT

  • Social spaces aren't something that needs fixing.

    We blame the problems caused by wealth inequality on technology as a way to not even discuss making the rich contribute to society

    they could still do with some fixing

  • I've started asking people what they have created lately... They seem to take it as an insult when it isn't meant to be.

    The reality is consuming is easier than producing. You can see it with the usage of phones and tablets vs laptops. It's hard to create on a touch screen but it's easy to consume.

    Yeah its sad computing is dying because of ipads. Lot of people.dont even have a computer.

  • I also noticed something in my friend group. No one makes anything. Its all share share share. Im the only one taking original photos or videos or making jokes. Its kind of sad. And is not like their lives are boring either. They'd just rather consume others stuff.

    Are most people like that?

    Yes.

    Whatchu gonna do about it?
    ~(not asking specifically you, bridge, just didn't want to leave the thread at a circle jerk)~

  • I've started asking people what they have created lately... They seem to take it as an insult when it isn't meant to be.

    The reality is consuming is easier than producing. You can see it with the usage of phones and tablets vs laptops. It's hard to create on a touch screen but it's easy to consume.

    Does making horrible horrible things in CK2 count as creation? If not I am simply creating a mess of my life.

  • (for me the main one are the tankie scum devs)

    This right here is the crux of the problem and why the problem goes back so much further than the design and algorithms of platforms. We teach kids to focus on individual achievement, to celebrate the self, and we don't teach empathy, something that needs to be taught young and can easily be taught but the west increasingly considers weakness and a dirty word.

    When we fail to teach citizens of a society collectivism, because being a member of a society means you are part of a collective whether you decide to be a good collective that functions or one that operates against itself (herp derp competition!) that does not, you get communication between members like this.

    "I hate these people fuck them they should me more like MEEEE" "their opinions suck because they aren't more like MIIIINE" and we act as a bunch of petulant infants that resent each other's very existence in OUR world.

    If we were taught that it is our responsibility to lift one another up, if we rewarded people in society on the basis of who and how many others they've helped and not how much they hoarded for THEMSELVES, this wouldnt be as much of a problem. We could, now that we don't have to survive in nature, orient our mindsets to the positive, which would have to be encouraged young. Instead we're made to be like... This. A useful state for killing a rival in YOUR hunting area when there's only enough game in the region for one tribe to survive the winter, not so much when trying to build a civilization up. And don't get me started on the counterproductive mindfuck that is nation states and super serious imaginary lines between them, meant to protect hoards of INDIVIDUAL wealth of respective elites.

    The problem is, how do you start such a virtuous cycle when everyone from the owners down are only concerned with "ME ME ME MINE MINE MINE?"

    Then again you hate tankies, so go ahead and cuss me out for calling out the reality that capitalism, especially when it has effectively conquered the culture, turns people into selfish little gremlins more likely to shoot a stranger than help them.

    Childish take. Perfect example of why western online leftism will always be a failure.

    You wouldn't be writing this shit if your family had to leave their due to a russian invasion and then eight years later having to deal with another full scale invasion (with a shad part landing in the house next to yours).

    Grow up!

  • they could still do with some fixing

    What's the issue that you think social media is causing?

    I'm willing to bet that wealth redistribution would fix almost any of the issues people blame on social media.

  • Childish take. Perfect example of why western online leftism will always be a failure.

    You wouldn't be writing this shit if your family had to leave their due to a russian invasion and then eight years later having to deal with another full scale invasion (with a shad part landing in the house next to yours).

    Grow up!

    Oh I think the capitalist "grown ups" as you say only concerned with quarterly GDP and their own individual hoards in charge are doing fine on their own. Don't you?

    They don't need some idiot commie child as you say like me getting in the way of this great society's trajectory. This bull is loose!

    I lost, we leftists lost, and since the capitalists are destroying the very COMMUNal climate we rely on from one breath to the next, it's too late for us to ever turn it around, as civilization hangs by a thread on the easy baby "just don't shit where you sleep" climate mode we enjoyed and are eviscerating as we speak in the name of year over year metastasis.

    What does winning feel like? Is it awesome? Do you feel victorious in your capitalist society?

  • What's the issue that you think social media is causing?

    I'm willing to bet that wealth redistribution would fix almost any of the issues people blame on social media.

    Ohh dude. That's a really interesting thought. Genuinely. I wonder if this could actually reap positive consequences. But also to be fair if your main aim is to proliferate through engagement (see shock), then there's no positive hope to have a good affect on the audience.

  • Oh I think the capitalist "grown ups" as you say only concerned with quarterly GDP and their own individual hoards in charge are doing fine on their own. Don't you?

    They don't need some idiot commie child as you say like me getting in the way of this great society's trajectory. This bull is loose!

    I lost, we leftists lost, and since the capitalists are destroying the very COMMUNal climate we rely on from one breath to the next, it's too late for us to ever turn it around, as civilization hangs by a thread on the easy baby "just don't shit where you sleep" climate mode we enjoyed and are eviscerating as we speak in the name of year over year metastasis.

    What does winning feel like? Is it awesome? Do you feel victorious in your capitalist society?

    What are you on about?

    I never mentioned anything about capitalism and communism.

    At any rate, tankies are supporters of genocidal, authoritarian state-capitalism, so whatever you're trying to imply is moot.

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    All the research I am aware of - including what I referenced in the previous comment, is that people are honest by default, except for a few people who lie a lot. Boris Johnson is a serial liar and clearly falls into that camp. I believe that you believe that, but a couple of surveys are not a sufficient argument to prove the fundamental good of all humanity. If honesty were not the default, why would we believe what anyone has to say in situations where they have an incentive to lie, which is often? Why are such a small proportion of people criminals and fraudsters when for a lot of crimes, someone smart and cautious has a very low chance of being caught? I think this is just a lack of imagination. i will go through your scenarios and provide an answer but i don't think it's going to achieve anything, we just fundamentally disagree on this. why would we believe what anyone has to say in situations where they have an incentive to lie, which is often? You shouldn't. edit : You use experience with this person or in general, to make a judgement call about whether or not you want to listen to what they have to say until more data is available. You continue to refine based on accumulated experience. Why are such a small proportion of people criminals and fraudsters when for a lot of crimes, someone smart and cautious has a very low chance of being caught? A lot of assumptions and leaps here. Firstly crime implies actual law, which is different in different places, so let's assume for now we are talking about the current laws in the uk. Criminals implies someone who has been caught and prosecuted for breaking a law, I'm going with that assumption because "everyone who has ever broken a law" is a ridiculous interpretation. So to encompass the assumptions: Why are such a small proportion of people who have been caught and prosecuted for breaking the law in the uk, when someone smart and caution has a very low chance of being caught? I hope you can see how nonsensical that question is. The evolutionary argument goes like this: social animals have selection pressure for traits that help the social group, because the social group contains related individuals, as well as carrying memetically inheritable behaviours. This means that the most successful groups are the ones that work well together. A group first of all has an incentive to punish individuals who act selfishly to harm the group - this will mean the group contains mostly individuals who, through self interest, will not betray the group. But a group which doesn’t have to spend energy finding and punishing traitorous individuals because it doesn’t contain as many in the first place will do even better. This creates a selection pressure behind mere self interest. That's a nicely worded very bias interpretation. social animals have selection pressure for traits that help the social group, because the social group contains related individuals, as well as carrying memetically inheritable behaviours. This is fine. This means that the most successful groups are the ones that work well together. That's a jump, working well together might not be the desirable trait in this instance. But let's assume it is for now. A group first of all has an incentive to punish individuals who act selfishly to harm the group - this will mean the group contains mostly individuals who, through self interest, will not betray the group. Reductive and assumptive, you're also conflating selfishness with betrayal, you can have on without the other, depending on perceived definitions of course. But a group which doesn’t have to spend energy finding and punishing traitorous individuals because it doesn’t contain as many in the first place will do even better. This creates a selection pressure behind mere self interest. Additional reduction and a further unsupported jump, individuals are more than just a single trait, selfishness might be desirable in certain scenarios or it might be a part of an individual who's other traits make up for it in a tribal context. The process of seeking and the focused attention might be a preferential selection trait that benefits the group. Powerful grifters try to protect themselves yes, but who got punished for pointing out that Boris is a serial liar? Everyone who has been negatively impacted by the policies enacted and consequences of everything that was achieved on the back of those lies. Because being ignored is still a punishment if there are negative consequences. But let's pick a more active punishment, protesting. Protest in a way we don't like or about a subject we don't approve of, it's now illegal to protest unless we give permission. That's reductive, but indicative of what happened in broad strokes. Have you read what the current government has said about the previous one? I'd imagine something along the lines of what the previous government said about the one before ? As a society we generally hate that kind of behaviour. Society as a whole does not protect wealth and power; wealth and power forms its own group which tries to protect itself. Depends on how you define society as a whole. By population, i agree. By actual power to enact change(without extreme measures), less so Convenient that you don't include the wealth and power as part of society, like its some other separate thing. You should care because it entirely colours how you interact with political life. “Shady behaviour” is about intent as well as outcome, and we are talking in this thread about shady behaviour, and hence about intent. See [POINT A]
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    A little background info: Russia's been sponsoring one of its oligarchs' business by eliminating their competition. First, they restricted YouTube's speed to an unusable state to force people to switch to RuTube (they didn't) Now they're trying to force people to switch from WhatsApp (and potentially Telegram) to MAX, which they want to be Russia's version of WeChat. Add the fact that our politicians are obsessed with controlling all of the media and you'll get the gist of it.
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