But it's not possible to get unbiased content on the internet. Everything exists with an agenda behind it, for the sole reason that hosting anything is going to constantly cost money.

This wasn't a huge deal when individuals were paying to host and share content to a small audience, it was a small amount of money and you could see their motives clearly (a forum for a hobby, a passion project, an online store, etc...).

Social media is different because it presents itself as a public forum where anything can be shared and hosted (for free) to as many people as you want. But they're still footing a very large bill and the wide net of content makes their motives completely opaque. Nobody cares that much about the headaches of maintaining a free and open public forum, and any profit motive is just another way to sell manipulation.

rational discourse on IRC

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But that's not profitable.

As long as you know you're in an echo chamber there's nothing wrong with it. Everything is an echo chamber of varying sizes.

first of all, it's a broad overgeneralization to assume that all social media is created with the intention to manipulate people. there was honest people running social media, but it's long past. (in the corporate domain)

• social media can be useful if it presents non-emotional, non-brigading content. rational discourse is one of the valuable options possible. throwing away the whole internet because Xitter sucks is throwing away the baby with the bathwater.

• but yes, social media is the new Volksempfänger and manipulates people (social engineering)

That's the real benefit of the Fediverse. Even if one instance becomes known for hosting bots, we can defederate them. Each instance isn't the population of the whole. Plus, we don't need to be huge. There's no benefit from it.

The article argues that extremist views and echo chambers are inherent in public social networks where everyone is trying to talk to everyone else. That includes Fediverse networks like Lemmy and Mastodon.

They argue for smaller, more intimate networks like group chats among friends. I agree with the notion, but I am not sure how someone can build these sorts of environments without just inviting a group of friends and making an echo chamber.

I had couple of fairly diverse group chats and the more sensitive people left real quick. In my experience you can discuss politics or economy among friends with different views but when you touch social issues it gets toxic real fast. Pretty much like on social networks.

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They left entirely? Not just tuned out the group until the topic of conversation moved on?

It's got its issues (for me the main one are the tankie scum devs), but it seems to be the best platform there is.

The good thing about it is you can move to clients like Piefed and still access all the content / communities.

As long as the devs have an instance-agnostic 'live and let live' attitude and just ignore any instances they don't politically like and advise others to do the same, it's not really a problem.

If they ever try to enforce their ideology via their code: actual issue.

It's got its issues (for me the main one are the tankie scum devs), but it seems to be the best platform there is.

The good thing about it is you can move to clients like Piefed and still access all the content / communities.

first of all, it's a broad overgeneralization to assume that all social media is created with the intention to manipulate people. there was honest people running social media, but it's long past. (in the corporate domain)

• social media can be useful if it presents non-emotional, non-brigading content. rational discourse is one of the valuable options possible. throwing away the whole internet because Xitter sucks is throwing away the baby with the bathwater.

• but yes, social media is the new Volksempfänger and manipulates people (social engineering)

Also worth considering the reputational factors.

I joined ML by mistake and I was pissed off to find out that it was a nest of degenerate tankie roaches.

I had experience with Mastodon, so I switched instances, but that might not be the case for others looking for a non-US oligarch internet platform.

They most definitely do not have a "live and let live" attitude for people dealing with russian genocidal occupation, but that's a discussion for another day.

Certainly the problem is not the rabid Mc Carthy fascists calling people scum