I've never used Discord -- is it similar to Mumble? I tried Jami but found it too unreliable to recommend. What about Nextcloud Chat? I do use that though it is kind of clumsy.

Because of the networking effect, people don’t leave.

Federation is strong specifically because of how it gets around the networking effect. You don't need a .world account to see content from it. That doesn't apply for Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube without shenanigans.

This notion that everyone’s just going to pick up and leave Lemmy

You don't need to leave lemmy. It takes 10 minutes to set up a new account somewhere else, with zero downsides.

Federation is strong specifically because of how it gets around the networking effect.

Federation doesn't get around the networking effect. It inhibits the network's growth by allowing the community to fracture along instances, depending on the whims of the admins. But when one community outstrips the rest, its meaningless.

Federating mitigates the flaws of OG Mastadon, as it allows individual users to stack threads from multiple participating instances. But as soon as their native instance goes to shit, they've got to pick up a new account somewhere else and rebuild their profiles. And people - by and large - don't like doing that repeatedly.

It takes 10 minutes to set up a new account somewhere else

"It takes 10 minutes to set up an account in App X" is the same line I've heard explaining why people would leave Twitter or Facebook or Reddit.

Why doesn't BlueSky have all of Twitter's business if it's so easy?

RIP Discord.

It serves the key purpose of Mumble, in that it provides a reliable way to get in a voice chat with people. The other features (text chat, video calls, screen sharing, "servers" that let people aggregate for a dedicated purpose/community) come together to make a legitimately good product that's hard to replace.

Damn, I've been thinking about checking it out, but if it doesn't do voice at all (and I would also really like streaming) it's just not worth it to me. Text chat is nice, but I spend 2-3 hours evenings hanging out in voice with friends and I don't want to lose that. Messing with two separate apps is just not worth it atm, so I'ma keep steadfastly ignoring Discord's bullshit until Matrix is where I need it to be to switch. Although then the problem will be getting everyone else to switch, of course.

increasingly belligerent chasing of profits.

The word you're looking for is enshittification.

Next thing you know the 'orbs' will be NFTs and we'll all be expected to grind away at their 'quests' (probably training AI) to earn 'real money'.

It does voice via Jitsi https://matrix.org/blog/2020/04/06/running-your-own-secure-communication-service-with-matrix-and-jitsi/

I wish I can use Matrix discord is probably the last privacy invasive app I use (for my friends mainly)

Jesus Christ (● ˃̶͈̀ロ˂̶͈́)੭ꠥ⁾⁾.

There is one community I’m active in on Discord, and it’s a very wholesome and positive one id hate to lose, but damn I’m hating Discord.

Is there a CLI Discord client for Linux? I could tolerate that.

You can host your own matrix instance then bridge discord (and everything else from LinkedIn messenger to WhatsApp) to matrix with double puppeting so people won’t even realise you’re not on discord.

The replacement is matrix.

Hmmmmmm that is an option. I am a user of matrix

The issue has been there for ages. Sadly gamers aren't really Element's target audience.

Makes more sense to wait for MatrixRTC to enter the spec cleanly, then wait for a custom Discord-like client to implement it.

This is outdated and no longer preferred, it now has its own internal system called Element Call (aka an implementation of MatrixRTC).

Technically speaking, Element does have "voice and video rooms" available as an experimental feature, but until it's out of prime time it totally makes sense to wait.

Gotta remember that Element/New Vector (the company spearheading Matrix's development) is getting funded mostly by orgs who are looking for a replacement for internal comms like Slack or WhatsApp.

Seems like you have to keep something running for it to work. Some obscure service relied on it as a support channel and last thing I remember is that matrix server stopped working. Though it would help so much if it would be p2p.

Leave Zenyatta alone, Discord

Chortle my orbs