'We're done with Teams': German state hits uninstall on Microsoft
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Teams is just an incomprehensible version of Discord. What's the open source version of that? Matrix?
Incomprehensible? How? It’s got team/channel chats, private chats, and meetings. What makes it stand out is, like everything else MS does, the integration across all their services.
It definitely needs some improvement, but “incomprehensible” it isn’t.
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I get it! It’s a fucking terrible program. At the moment I’ve got two instances of it running, one old and one new. Why the fuck? Why doesn’t all the old things transfer to the new one?
It’s also a joke to maneuver. The different subjects have “hidden” subcategories that aren’t supposed to be hidden but are! So you have two extra clicks to find the folder.. it’s a giant fucking joke that a company the size of MS can’t make this tolerable.
Channels get hidden when they’re inactive for a decent amount of time. To see them you just view all the channels in a team. Not really hard. Can also just then tick to always show it. This is a PICNIC situation.
I’m guessing your 2 instances are the personal one that is included with windows, and then the work one. You can’t have 2 instances of the same one installed.
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You’re way off here. Microsoft are the industry leaders in this space because they’re so far ahead of everyone else because they focus on this stuff. They’re far from lazy, they’re the opposite in fact. As someone who manages the whole MS suite from entra to dev ops all the way to managed instance dbs and defender and everything in between daily, their integration across everything and their pace of updates is insane.
What products specifically are you calling “outdated junk” and why?
I can also explain Microsoft's straglehold on enterprise/government/institutional IT in two words: Group Policy. Nothing - absolutely nothing - from any other OS maker comes close to the granular level of configurability, customisation and flexibility that comes with Group Policy, not even ChromeOS or iOS.
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SteamOS is not a good desktop distribution, which isn't surprising as it's not supposed to be one. It's specialised for handhelds.
Go install Ubuntu or something, really anything, ideally don't have an Nvidia GPU, install steam, done. SteamOS has no special sauce regarding running games.
Not Ubuntu.
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I have a Dell laptop from 2013 I'm running Mint on 🫡
Granted, I'm only using it for web browsing and note taking, but still.
So basically an office simulator
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Channels get hidden when they’re inactive for a decent amount of time. To see them you just view all the channels in a team. Not really hard. Can also just then tick to always show it. This is a PICNIC situation.
I’m guessing your 2 instances are the personal one that is included with windows, and then the work one. You can’t have 2 instances of the same one installed.
Do you like work for Microsoft or something, you’re all over this post
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Incomprehensible? How? It’s got team/channel chats, private chats, and meetings. What makes it stand out is, like everything else MS does, the integration across all their services.
It definitely needs some improvement, but “incomprehensible” it isn’t.
I would say "even busier" and "over-integrated" rather than "incomprehensible".
Not to start a fight or anything, but it almost reminds me of emacs, because it's like someone started with an idea for one kind of program, but they just kept adding and adding and adding to it. But emacs at least is free, flexible, long established, free, and quirky.
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and therefore automatically multi-platform
But not necessarily multibrowser.
Damn those people developing only for Chrome.
So with all this AI usage, surely developing for all browsers should be a breeze now, right? Right??
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Legal liability for when the service, inevitably, gets breached. If the government hosts it, they're liable. If the vendor hosts it, the vendor is liable. Simple as money matters.
Spread responsibility thinly across as many organizations and departments within those organizations and across as many legal thresholds as you can to minimize blowback when something inevitably has to be held to account.
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So you're saying that other options do exist but some companies don't want to use them because Microsoft is very popular, which is kind of a circular thing, and I understand, but it's a sign of laziness, not quality.
I'm not sure why you're taking a oppositional tone. To be clear I'm complaining, not trying to justify it.
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Teams is just an incomprehensible version of Discord. What's the open source version of that? Matrix?
Can anything be more incomprehensible that Discord?
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Yes, but only in Europe, and no Americans are allowed.
Try and stop me. I don't even have windows installed anymore.
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Do you like work for Microsoft or something, you’re all over this post
It’s like I opened it and read the comments and replied to the ones that I was thought warranted a response. Crazy I know.
Is what I said wrong?
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You’re way off here. Microsoft are the industry leaders in this space because they’re so far ahead of everyone else because they focus on this stuff. They’re far from lazy, they’re the opposite in fact. As someone who manages the whole MS suite from entra to dev ops all the way to managed instance dbs and defender and everything in between daily, their integration across everything and their pace of updates is insane.
What products specifically are you calling “outdated junk” and why?
Teams is just a copy of old functionality. It doesn't offer anything new. Especially considering their funds and reach. Yet it just promotes the old document / paper world. I'm sure that is intentional. As they need to keep office going. The world should have moved on from documents by now.
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Teams is just a copy of old functionality. It doesn't offer anything new. Especially considering their funds and reach. Yet it just promotes the old document / paper world. I'm sure that is intentional. As they need to keep office going. The world should have moved on from documents by now.
What on earth are you talking about by “promotes the old document/paper world”?
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What on earth are you talking about by “promotes the old document/paper world”?
Today, when people deal with information digitally, we should be in control in the way we need it. Individual pieces of information should be easy to send, edit, automate, consume and share, without IT getting in the way. Sadly the old files, silos, incompatibility, and systems designed for printing paper documents is still dominant. MS need that. To keep their dominance from the days when they grew powerful and got caught abusing their their monopoly position.
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Today, when people deal with information digitally, we should be in control in the way we need it. Individual pieces of information should be easy to send, edit, automate, consume and share, without IT getting in the way. Sadly the old files, silos, incompatibility, and systems designed for printing paper documents is still dominant. MS need that. To keep their dominance from the days when they grew powerful and got caught abusing their their monopoly position.
We need to move past this mess as soon as we can.You wrote all of that without actually saying anything.
How does any of….. that….. apply to this situation? Microsoft are one of the biggest pushers of “all digital” there is.
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You wrote all of that without actually saying anything.
How does any of….. that….. apply to this situation? Microsoft are one of the biggest pushers of “all digital” there is.
Their priority is sustaining profit. Which needs them to keep the status quo, not innovate. Teams is not innovation.
If you are satisfied with what we have today, the next generation of digital information will really surprise you. Yet it would have been available 30 years ago if not for big business monopolies and lack of imagination among techies. -
Their priority is sustaining profit. Which needs them to keep the status quo, not innovate. Teams is not innovation.
If you are satisfied with what we have today, the next generation of digital information will really surprise you. Yet it would have been available 30 years ago if not for big business monopolies and lack of imagination among techies.Again - you’re writing a lot but saying nothing.
What exactly are you talking about? Give specifics. What exactly are Microsoft “holding back”? How are they only keeping the status quo by having the most integrated all-in-one ecosystem on the market?
I’m not sure why you expect teams to be innovative in the first place?
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Again - you’re writing a lot but saying nothing.
What exactly are you talking about? Give specifics. What exactly are Microsoft “holding back”? How are they only keeping the status quo by having the most integrated all-in-one ecosystem on the market?
I’m not sure why you expect teams to be innovative in the first place?
Surely you want to have good digital communication? And surely you want Teams to help people communicate really well?
But it sounds like you are satisfied with Teams. It appears you have low expectations of communication.
You've read the problems people have posted here. Such as when working with multiple companies different teams. So as a starter, a choice of teams clients is missing. Next, teams is not an open standard. To allow connection with other non Teams networks. Next, Teams attempts to integrate your information. But only allows files pictures and text. Information is so much more. It could be a date, an invite, an invoice, a question, a holiday, an insurance.
If it helps, understand that non IT people want to manage this information in a direct, non IT, non text way. MS products rank very low in this regard.
If all you can imagine is what MS has, then maybe you might understand when it's put in front of you.
