'We're done with Teams': German state hits uninstall on Microsoft
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Any suggestions on alternatives?
Slack is ok but proprietary.
Element is a new and eg fractal doesn't have threading.
Sorry to say, but no idea.
We used separate applications for seven years (Jabber for IM and Asana for ticket management), and for me, that's what I'm stuck with using Teams for, at least until Microsoft drops AI into and it eats itself.
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I'm definitely in the minority, but i really never had or have any issues with Windows or Teams like everyone seems to complain so much about. With that said, I absolutely love that they are making this move. As someone who works in the area and sees the pricing and how much our company spends on Microsoft I find it appalling and absurd that anyone is willing to spend that much on licensing... I wish I could work on a project like this just to see what the savings could be overall.
Used Teams for a bit. Seemed fine, just used it like any other IRC clone. Didn't use it for video. Windows has a lot of annoyances; death by a thousand cuts. The Windows ecosystem also sucks: to the point where graphic card and mouse driver installers try to install spyware.
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Legal liability for when the service, inevitably, gets breached. If the government hosts it, they're liable. If the vendor hosts it, the vendor is liable. Simple as money matters.
So they could just use a service offered by (checks notes) T-Systems, Siemens, Lufthansa Systems, SAP, TeamViewer AG,... what's that? In all these years these companies were relying on US service providers as well, instead of innovating? Well that sucks.
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At my work all but me love microsoft. But ..... They started to complain about teams too. I only use the chat because it's impossible to avoid.
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At my work all but me love microsoft. But ..... They started to complain about teams too. I only use the chat because it's impossible to avoid.
Literally no one I work with likes Teams but we keep using it because that's just what we do. Other options basically don't exist simply by virtue of being either not Microsoft or not overwhelmingly the market leader.
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I didn't see what exactly they're using for a Teams replacement?
Many are switching to Nextcloud Talk.
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I've used them all pretty much and it's a really shitty product
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What was the alternative they chose ?
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What was the alternative they chose ?
It doesn't say, but seems to be an ad-hoc solution.
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Literally no one I work with likes Teams but we keep using it because that's just what we do. Other options basically don't exist simply by virtue of being either not Microsoft or not overwhelmingly the market leader.
So you're saying that other options do exist but some companies don't want to use them because Microsoft is very popular, which is kind of a circular thing, and I understand, but it's a sign of laziness, not quality.
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It doesn't say, but seems to be an ad-hoc solution.
This process started in 2021 already.
They will use GNU/Linux, LibreOffice, Nextcloud, Open Xchange (OX), Thunderbird and Univention AD-Connector.
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I'm definitely in the minority, but i really never had or have any issues with Windows or Teams like everyone seems to complain so much about. With that said, I absolutely love that they are making this move. As someone who works in the area and sees the pricing and how much our company spends on Microsoft I find it appalling and absurd that anyone is willing to spend that much on licensing... I wish I could work on a project like this just to see what the savings could be overall.
The worst part for teams is if you do contract work and need to be a part of multiple teams instances... It's a MASSIVE fucking pain. Microsoft's login processes are absolute infuriating and even more so if you have to log in to multiple different accounts that all somehow have the same email address but different tenants without letting you know which account version is for which tenant.
We had to use slack for our internal stuff so we could always be in contact with each other because you could only be signed into one teams instance at a time without jumping through crazy hoops.
I initially wanted us to move to teams but that hurdle stopped us. I'm kinda glad in hindsight.
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Teams is just an incomprehensible version of Discord. What's the open source version of that? Matrix?
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At my work all but me love microsoft. But ..... They started to complain about teams too. I only use the chat because it's impossible to avoid.
At mine the person in charge of IT procurement is an ex Microsoft salesman.
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And gamers are looking to SteamOS to replace windows.
That's not a very good idea. It's not a general use distribution.
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Working with information today could be hundreds of times better if there were serious open standards. Switching away from outdated proprietary junk, to an open source version of that junk is great, but late. And, let's hope, its the start of real change. To catch up to where we should have been decades ago if we hadn't been held back by lazy MS et al. Digital information should zip between people and have real meaning. Not have to go through a thick layer of IT, and files and formats, and redundant copies, and silos and having to know tech to get things done. Peoples expectations are so low, they are satisfied with the crap we have today.
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Working with information today could be hundreds of times better if there were serious open standards. Switching away from outdated proprietary junk, to an open source version of that junk is great, but late. And, let's hope, its the start of real change. To catch up to where we should have been decades ago if we hadn't been held back by lazy MS et al. Digital information should zip between people and have real meaning. Not have to go through a thick layer of IT, and files and formats, and redundant copies, and silos and having to know tech to get things done. Peoples expectations are so low, they are satisfied with the crap we have today.
hadn’t been held back by lazy MS et al.
MS is not lazy but working hard to maintain their lead.
edit: Just noticed that my phrasing is bad and could be seen as praise. OP is right, MS is holding everybody back.
I meant to say that they abuse their market domination to maintain their lead.
Look at MS Teams. It was free until Slack was done as a competitor.
MS did things but that's inevitable. The crucial part are the things that they prevented.
It's increadible that OP is even downvoted.
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I never understood how a huge government can't be bothered to host their own nextcloud or whatever for a couple dozen mil per year instead of spending hundreds of millions per year on onedrive and other commercial crap.
Governments are usually inhabited by older folks, that aren't too tech savvy.
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At my work all but me love microsoft. But ..... They started to complain about teams too. I only use the chat because it's impossible to avoid.
My work hate Microsoft but don't see a viable alternative. Microsoft is safer because of their stranglehold.
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Working with information today could be hundreds of times better if there were serious open standards. Switching away from outdated proprietary junk, to an open source version of that junk is great, but late. And, let's hope, its the start of real change. To catch up to where we should have been decades ago if we hadn't been held back by lazy MS et al. Digital information should zip between people and have real meaning. Not have to go through a thick layer of IT, and files and formats, and redundant copies, and silos and having to know tech to get things done. Peoples expectations are so low, they are satisfied with the crap we have today.
You’re way off here. Microsoft are the industry leaders in this space because they’re so far ahead of everyone else because they focus on this stuff. They’re far from lazy, they’re the opposite in fact. As someone who manages the whole MS suite from entra to dev ops all the way to managed instance dbs and defender and everything in between daily, their integration across everything and their pace of updates is insane.
What products specifically are you calling “outdated junk” and why?
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