'We're done with Teams': German state hits uninstall on Microsoft
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And if it sticks, good. But it still has the fundamental problem of needing to re-train all your existing employees AND train new staff who haven't been brought up in that system.
Its on a completely different scale, but plenty of tech youtubers have done the "Let's get rid of all the Adobe in my life". Some succeed. Most tend to come down on some variation of "I can do about 99% of what I used to do in these two or three tools. And these ten things are actually genuinely easier and more performant. But we can't take a month off making videos to get all of our editors up to speed. And this also removes our ability to contract out an edit to someone with the industry standard workflow". And from my professional experience in different fields, that is true. Hiring someone and then spending a week or a month so they can use YOUR tools becomes a huge burden in not too long of a time.
I really hope Germany pulls it off this time and more governments follow. But I also remember all the other times I have read this story.
It's quite easy to use. France is working together with them.
Work with La Suite numérique
La Suite numérique brings all agents and professionals together in the public sphere
(lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr)
The Netherlands have joined last year.
Meanwhile Belgium has bought extra copilot licences and digs itself deeper into the M$ pit.
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Open desk, is the office suite they use, I suppose. Matrix chat, perhaps?
It has an inbuilt messenger based on element, apparently.
Produkt
Modular, flexibel, sicher: Die openDesk Office- und Kollaborationssuite bietet digitale Werkzeuge für die Öffentliche Verwaltung in einer integrierten Umgebung.
openDesk (www.opendesk.eu)
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It has an inbuilt messenger based on element, apparently.
Produkt
Modular, flexibel, sicher: Die openDesk Office- und Kollaborationssuite bietet digitale Werkzeuge für die Öffentliche Verwaltung in einer integrierten Umgebung.
openDesk (www.opendesk.eu)
Jup, Matrix indeed. Thx
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I took a look and its quite complicated to install requiring a very complex kubernates clustwr. Unclear why it is so disparate when something like nextcloud can be single containerised. I feel like this could be simplified for deployment.
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I'm stuck with Teams in my job.
I fucking hate it.
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I'm stuck with Teams in my job.
I fucking hate it.
Same. I've come to terms using it in browser mode on Edge, same for Outlook. The desktop applications are so horrific, I uninstalled both. Half the time they wouldn't work or force log me out.
Now I literally have a standalone screen that's showing nothing but Edge with those two tabs on, and all my productive environment is on a nice large screen where I don't have to see the crap.
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I never understood how a huge government can't be bothered to host their own nextcloud or whatever for a couple dozen mil per year instead of spending hundreds of millions per year on onedrive and other commercial crap.
Legal liability for when the service, inevitably, gets breached. If the government hosts it, they're liable. If the vendor hosts it, the vendor is liable. Simple as money matters.
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I get it! It’s a fucking terrible program. At the moment I’ve got two instances of it running, one old and one new. Why the fuck? Why doesn’t all the old things transfer to the new one?
It’s also a joke to maneuver. The different subjects have “hidden” subcategories that aren’t supposed to be hidden but are! So you have two extra clicks to find the folder.. it’s a giant fucking joke that a company the size of MS can’t make this tolerable.
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Yes, but only in Europe, and no Americans are allowed.
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And gamers are looking to SteamOS to replace windows.
SteamOS is not a good desktop distribution, which isn't surprising as it's not supposed to be one. It's specialised for handhelds.
Go install Ubuntu or something, really anything, ideally don't have an Nvidia GPU, install steam, done. SteamOS has no special sauce regarding running games.
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I'm stuck with Teams in my job.
I fucking hate it.
It crashes, it loses things, it has a lousy search function, to automate messaging you need to learn one of the arcane and convoluted MS services because they deprecated the much easier webhooks...
When something fails (and it always does) we just say "Well... it's Teams", and that sums it up.
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I never understood how a huge government can't be bothered to host their own nextcloud or whatever for a couple dozen mil per year instead of spending hundreds of millions per year on onedrive and other commercial crap.
Bribes, I'd venture.
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They have their systems only they use, therefore they can easily make them on Linux or emulate.
Also, a lot of systems are web-based (and therefore automatically multi-platform) these days.
and therefore automatically multi-platform
But not necessarily multibrowser.
Damn those people developing only for Chrome.
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Yes, but: this endeavour comes after/along with the development of a unified "open desk", a replacement solution for the office and collaboration tools from microsoft etc, backed by the federal government. This ensures a base layer of interoperability between offices and makes training probably easier.
I wouldn't count on the federation they've been doing nothing all these years. Schleswig-Holstein law has favoured FLOSS solutions since 2009 ("where technically possible and economical"), and bits and pieces were introduced as early as 2012. ZenDiS exists since 2022, opendesk is based on dPhoenixSuite, work done by Dataport precisely for Schleswig-Holstein, and they're still doing most of the development work. More importantly though I'm not seeing any political commitment on the federal level, the Bundeswehr switching over because they care about stuff doesn't mean that the, what, finance ministry cares. The BND probably also cares but tough luck getting them to confirm or deny anything.
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I'm stuck with Teams in my job.
I fucking hate it.
Any suggestions on alternatives?
Slack is ok but proprietary.
Element is a new and eg fractal doesn't have threading.
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That includes Windows, right?
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Right?
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It says they will be replaced soon, so im assuming it's phase 2.
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I'm definitely in the minority, but i really never had or have any issues with Windows or Teams like everyone seems to complain so much about. With that said, I absolutely love that they are making this move. As someone who works in the area and sees the pricing and how much our company spends on Microsoft I find it appalling and absurd that anyone is willing to spend that much on licensing... I wish I could work on a project like this just to see what the savings could be overall.
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Any suggestions on alternatives?
Slack is ok but proprietary.
Element is a new and eg fractal doesn't have threading.
Sorry to say, but no idea.
We used separate applications for seven years (Jabber for IM and Asana for ticket management), and for me, that's what I'm stuck with using Teams for, at least until Microsoft drops AI into and it eats itself.
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I'm definitely in the minority, but i really never had or have any issues with Windows or Teams like everyone seems to complain so much about. With that said, I absolutely love that they are making this move. As someone who works in the area and sees the pricing and how much our company spends on Microsoft I find it appalling and absurd that anyone is willing to spend that much on licensing... I wish I could work on a project like this just to see what the savings could be overall.
Used Teams for a bit. Seemed fine, just used it like any other IRC clone. Didn't use it for video. Windows has a lot of annoyances; death by a thousand cuts. The Windows ecosystem also sucks: to the point where graphic card and mouse driver installers try to install spyware.
