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  • The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

    The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

    The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

    The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

    Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

    Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

    Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

    How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

    A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

    Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

    Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?

  • Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?

    It got more legal a few years ago, I think. Not explicitly "made legal", but the legal foundations have been eroded. I.e. if you can expect to get away with something it is legal in a very real sense.

    It's always been practically legal for empires like the US, Russia, China to commit any atrocities in weak countries, More and more countries are seeing how much they can get away with.

    Netanyahu tested the limits over and over and saw there were really quite few legal limits. With Gaza, he saw the limits didn't actually exist at all.

  • The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

    The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

    The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

    The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

    Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

    Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

    Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

    How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

    A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

    Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

    Vibe warfare sounds like a terrible idea

  • The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

    The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

    The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

    The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

    Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

    Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

    Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

    How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

    A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

    Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

    Few things say "you need a nuke, you need it right now" like foreign states killing your scientists, in their beds in the dead of night

  • Could you please kill the leaders instead? Of Israel too?

    The country is funded by a supermacist colonial ideology. The population need to be dezionified and other country should do their obligations in stoping a genocidal state

  • This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.

    They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.

    I hate that USA is enabling them, and at the same time being hipocritical about wanting a peaceful solution. Cut their funding if you want to stop them. Freeze their assets like NATO did with Russia. Act, don’t talk.

    There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can't never make mistakes bs.

    Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn't mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan

  • The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

    The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

    The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

    The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

    Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

    Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

    Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

    How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

    A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

    Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

    Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?

    Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.

    (Sorry, that’s my "Bush did 9/11" moment)

  • o no! israel thwarted iran's nuclear ambitions! the horror!!!

    It's civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.

    You're part of the problem.

  • It got more legal a few years ago, I think. Not explicitly "made legal", but the legal foundations have been eroded. I.e. if you can expect to get away with something it is legal in a very real sense.

    It's always been practically legal for empires like the US, Russia, China to commit any atrocities in weak countries, More and more countries are seeing how much they can get away with.

    Netanyahu tested the limits over and over and saw there were really quite few legal limits. With Gaza, he saw the limits didn't actually exist at all.

    I'm surprised there aren't more high level assassinations.

  • Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?

    Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.

    (Sorry, that’s my "Bush did 9/11" moment)

    No tinfoil needed, has it not been confirmed that Netanyahu was aware of the attacks and let them happen?

  • It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.

    Who upvotes this shit? Are people here really this naive?

  • Europeans did the genocide and took over America, in a much larger scale. Israel is just a smaller copy cat. The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.

    Insane that there are people who actually believe this shit.

  • The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

    The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

    The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

    The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

    Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

    Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

    Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

    How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

    A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

    Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

    The Zola algorithm is real

  • No tinfoil needed, has it not been confirmed that Netanyahu was aware of the attacks and let them happen?

    I don’t believe that has been confirmed, but I could be wrong.

    Edit: I stand corrected.

  • Who upvotes this shit? Are people here really this naive?

    I don’t see how that is naive at all. We prop Israel up. If the president calls Bibi and threatens to stop all aid, unless they imposed a ceasefire, it would happen. They have so much power, tech and weaponry because we give it to them. If we pointed the barrel of the most powerful military on earth at them, they would cease immediately.

  • It's civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.

    You're part of the problem.

    It's civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.

    Is it though? What level of enrichment do they need for a nuclear energy program, and what level of enrichment were they at? I think it’s naive to say they weren’t working on a weapon.

    I’m not saying it justifies killing civilian scientists, but we ought to be honest about the why.

  • Every military makes plans for any contingency,

    In defense, to respond to an attack.
    The word contingency is important.

    If the military is planning acts of aggression then that is called preparing for war.

    Militaries tend to do both this things.

  • It's civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.

    Is it though? What level of enrichment do they need for a nuclear energy program, and what level of enrichment were they at? I think it’s naive to say they weren’t working on a weapon.

    I’m not saying it justifies killing civilian scientists, but we ought to be honest about the why.

    Where is the evidence that they are working on a weapon? There are people getting murdered because people have become brainwashed enough to just assume Iran is working on a nukes.

    I'm just saying, killing civilians on the basis of assumption is a pretty terrorist move and feels very similar to how Iraq was bombed to hell by America. But hey, that's just my 2 cents.

  • Where is the evidence that they are working on a weapon? There are people getting murdered because people have become brainwashed enough to just assume Iran is working on a nukes.

    I'm just saying, killing civilians on the basis of assumption is a pretty terrorist move and feels very similar to how Iraq was bombed to hell by America. But hey, that's just my 2 cents.

    According to the IAEA, the Natanz site was producing uranium enriched to 60% u-235.

    For electricity, you need 3-5% u-235.

    That’s not an energy program, that’s a weapons program.

  • It got more legal a few years ago, I think. Not explicitly "made legal", but the legal foundations have been eroded. I.e. if you can expect to get away with something it is legal in a very real sense.

    It's always been practically legal for empires like the US, Russia, China to commit any atrocities in weak countries, More and more countries are seeing how much they can get away with.

    Netanyahu tested the limits over and over and saw there were really quite few legal limits. With Gaza, he saw the limits didn't actually exist at all.

    I have mixed feelings - Gaza clearly shows a "worse way" to do warfare, but that doesn't move the needle on how bad it is to say: "Welp, there's a 90% chance that somewhere in this building is somebody associated with a group that we don't like, so take it down tonight while everyone is home sleeping."

  • time to switch to DeltaChat 😁

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    The point is... (almost) nobody is going to do that. Ask a layman what a SMTP is.
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    $200 million doesn't cover the first billion in losses OpenAI inflicts upon itself, but I'm not a fan of this bailout regardless.
  • An earnest question about the AI/LLM hate

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    It might be interesting to cross-post this question to !fuck_ai@lemmy.world but brace for impact
  • Amazon is reportedly training humanoid robots to deliver packages

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    Yup, and people seem to frequently underestimate how ridiculously expensive running a fleet of humanoid robots would be (and don’t seem to realize how comparatively low the manual labor it’d replace is paid.)
  • Catbox.moe got screwed 😿

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    I'll gladly give you a reason. I'm actually happy to articulate my stance on this, considering how much I tend to care about digital rights. Services that host files should not be held responsible for what users upload, unless: The service explicitly caters to illegal content by definition or practice (i.e. the if the website is literally titled uploadyourcsamhere[.]com then it's safe to assume they deliberately want to host illegal content) The service has a very easy mechanism to remove illegal content, either when asked, or through simple monitoring systems, but chooses not to do so (catbox does this, and quite quickly too) Because holding services responsible creates a whole host of negative effects. Here's some examples: Someone starts a CDN and some users upload CSAM. The creator of the CDN goes to jail now. Nobody ever wants to create a CDN because of the legal risk, and thus the only providers of CDNs become shady, expensive, anonymously-run services with no compliance mechanisms. You run a site that hosts images, and someone decides they want to harm you. They upload CSAM, then report the site to law enforcement. You go to jail. Anybody in the future who wants to run an image sharing site must now self-censor to try and not upset any human being that could be willing to harm them via their site. A social media site is hosting the posts and content of users. In order to be compliant and not go to jail, they must engage in extremely strict filtering, otherwise even one mistake could land them in jail. All users of the site are prohibited from posting any NSFW or even suggestive content, (including newsworthy media, such as an image of bodies in a warzone) and any violation leads to an instant ban, because any of those things could lead to a chance of actually illegal content being attached. This isn't just my opinion either. Digital rights organizations such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation have talked at length about similar policies before. To quote them: "When social media platforms adopt heavy-handed moderation policies, the unintended consequences can be hard to predict. For example, Twitter’s policies on sexual material have resulted in posts on sexual health and condoms being taken down. YouTube’s bans on violent content have resulted in journalism on the Syrian war being pulled from the site. It can be tempting to attempt to “fix” certain attitudes and behaviors online by placing increased restrictions on users’ speech, but in practice, web platforms have had more success at silencing innocent people than at making online communities healthier." Now, to address the rest of your comment, since I don't just want to focus on the beginning: I think you have to actively moderate what is uploaded Catbox does, and as previously mentioned, often at a much higher rate than other services, and at a comparable rate to many services that have millions, if not billions of dollars in annual profits that could otherwise be spent on further moderation. there has to be swifter and stricter punishment for those that do upload things that are against TOS and/or illegal. The problem isn't necessarily the speed at which people can be reported and punished, but rather that the internet is fundamentally harder to track people on than real life. It's easy for cops to sit around at a spot they know someone will be physically distributing illegal content at in real life, but digitally, even if you can see the feed of all the information passing through the service, a VPN or Tor connection will anonymize your IP address in a manner that most police departments won't be able to track, and most three-letter agencies will simply have a relatively low success rate with. There's no good solution to this problem of identifying perpetrators, which is why platforms often focus on moderation over legal enforcement actions against users so frequently. It accomplishes the goal of preventing and removing the content without having to, for example, require every single user of the internet to scan an ID (and also magically prevent people from just stealing other people's access tokens and impersonating their ID) I do agree, however, that we should probably provide larger amounts of funding, training, and resources, to divisions who's sole goal is to go after online distribution of various illegal content, primarily that which harms children, because it's certainly still an issue of there being too many reports to go through, even if many of them will still lead to dead ends. I hope that explains why making file hosting services liable for user uploaded content probably isn't the best strategy. I hate to see people with good intentions support ideas that sound good in practice, but in the end just cause more untold harms, and I hope you can understand why I believe this to be the case.
  • Is Washington state falling out of love with Tesla?

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    These Tesla owners who love their cars but hate his involvement with government are a bit ridiculous because one of the biggest reasons he got in loved with shilling for the right is that the government was looking into regulations and investigations concerning how unsafe Tesla cars are.
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    You’re seriously attempting to argue with me about whether or not transportation existed before cars?
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    The platform owners don’t consider engagement to me be participation in meaningful discourse. Engagement to them just means staying on the platform while seeing ads. If bots keep people doing that those platforms will keep letting them in.