An earnest question about the AI/LLM hate
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Hello, recent Reddit convert here and I'm loving it. You even inspired me to figure out how to fully dump Windows and install LineageOS.
One thing I can't understand is the level of acrimony toward LLMs. I see things like "stochastic parrot", "glorified autocomplete", etc. If you need an example, the comments section for the post on Apple saying LLMs don't reason is a doozy of angry people: https://infosec.pub/post/29574988
While I didn't expect a community of vibecoders, I am genuinely curious about why LLMs strike such an emotional response with this crowd. It's a tool that has gone from interesting (GPT3) to terrifying (Veo 3) in a few years and I am personally concerned about many of the safety/control issues in the future.
So I ask: what is the real reason this is such an emotional topic for you in particular? My personal guess is that the claims about replacing software engineers is the biggest issue, but help me understand.
Not to be snarky, but why didn’t you ask an LLM this question?
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It is really not a big change to the way we work unless you work in a language that has very low expressiveness like Java or Go and we have been able to generate the boilerplate in those automatically for decades.
The main problem is that it is really not at all useful or produces genuinely beneficial results and yet everyone keeps telling us they do but can not point to a single GitHub PR or similar source as an example for a good piece of code created by AI without heavy manual post-processing. It also completely ignores that reading and fixing other people's (or worse, AI's) code is orders of magnitude harder than writing the same code yourself.
It is really not a big change to the way we work unless you work in a language that has very low expressiveness like Java or Go
If we include languages like C#, javascript/typescript, python etc then that's a huge portion of the landscape.
Personally I wouldn't use it to generate entire features as it will generally produce working, but garbage code, but it's useful to get boilerplate stuff done or query why something isn't working as expected. For example, asking it to write tests for a React component, it'll get about 80-90% of it right, with all the imports, mocks etc, you just need to write the actual assertions yourself (which we should be doing anyway).
I gave Claude a try last week at building some AWS infrastructure in Terraform based off a prompt for a feature set and it was pretty bang on. Obviously it required some tweaks but it saved a tonne of time vs writing it all out manually.
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I am in software and a software engineer, but the least of my concerns is being replaced by an LLM any time soon.
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I don't hate LLMs, they are just a tool and it does not make sense at all to hate a LLM the same way it does not make sense to hate a rock
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I hate the marketing and the hype for several reasons:
- You use the term AI/LLM in the posts title: There is nothing intelligent about LLMs if you understand how they work
- The craziness about LLMs in the media, press and business brainwashes non technical people to think that there is intelligence involved and that LLMs will get better and better and solve the worlds problems (possible, but when you do an informed guess, the chances are quite low within the next decade)
- All the LLM shit happening: Automatic translations w/o even asking me if stuff should be translated on websites, job loss for translators, companies hoping to get rid of experienced technical people because LLMs (and we will have to pick up the slack after the hype)
- The lack of education in the population (and even among tech people) about how LLMs work, their limits and their usages...
LLMs are at the same time impressive (think jump to chat-gpt 4), show the ugliest forms of capitalism (CEOs learning, that every time they say AI the stock price goes 5% up), helpful (generate short pieces of code, translate other languages), annoying (generated content) and even dangerous (companies with the money can now literally and automatically flood the internet/news/media with more bullshit and faster).
Everything you said is great except for the rock metaphor. It’s more akin to a gun in that it’s a tool made by man that has the capacity to do incredible damage and already has on a social level.
Guns ain’t just laying around on the ground, nor are LLMs. Rocks however, are, like, it’s practically their job.
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Hello, recent Reddit convert here and I'm loving it. You even inspired me to figure out how to fully dump Windows and install LineageOS.
One thing I can't understand is the level of acrimony toward LLMs. I see things like "stochastic parrot", "glorified autocomplete", etc. If you need an example, the comments section for the post on Apple saying LLMs don't reason is a doozy of angry people: https://infosec.pub/post/29574988
While I didn't expect a community of vibecoders, I am genuinely curious about why LLMs strike such an emotional response with this crowd. It's a tool that has gone from interesting (GPT3) to terrifying (Veo 3) in a few years and I am personally concerned about many of the safety/control issues in the future.
So I ask: what is the real reason this is such an emotional topic for you in particular? My personal guess is that the claims about replacing software engineers is the biggest issue, but help me understand.
Ethics and morality does it for me. It is insane to steal the works of millions and re-sell it in a black box.
The quality is lacking. Literally hallucinates garbage information and lies, which scammers now weaponize (see Slopsquatting).
Extreme energy costs and environmental damage. We could supply millions of poor with electricity yet we decided a sloppy AI which cant even count letters in a word was a better use case.
The AI developers themselves dont fully understand how it works or why it responds with certain things. Thus proving there cant be any guarantees for quality or safety of AI responses yet.
Laws, juridical systems and regulations are way behind, we dont have laws that can properly handle the usage or integration of AI yet.
Do note: LLM as a technology is fascinating. AI as a tool become fantastic. But now is not the time.
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Everything you said is great except for the rock metaphor. It’s more akin to a gun in that it’s a tool made by man that has the capacity to do incredible damage and already has on a social level.
Guns ain’t just laying around on the ground, nor are LLMs. Rocks however, are, like, it’s practically their job.
LLMs and generative AI will do what social media did to us, but a thousand times worse. All that plus the nightmarish capacity of pattern matching at an industrial scale. Inequalities, repression, oppression, disinformation , propaganda and corruption will skyrocket because of it. It's genuinely terrifying.
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Hello, recent Reddit convert here and I'm loving it. You even inspired me to figure out how to fully dump Windows and install LineageOS.
One thing I can't understand is the level of acrimony toward LLMs. I see things like "stochastic parrot", "glorified autocomplete", etc. If you need an example, the comments section for the post on Apple saying LLMs don't reason is a doozy of angry people: https://infosec.pub/post/29574988
While I didn't expect a community of vibecoders, I am genuinely curious about why LLMs strike such an emotional response with this crowd. It's a tool that has gone from interesting (GPT3) to terrifying (Veo 3) in a few years and I am personally concerned about many of the safety/control issues in the future.
So I ask: what is the real reason this is such an emotional topic for you in particular? My personal guess is that the claims about replacing software engineers is the biggest issue, but help me understand.
My biggest issue is with how AI is being marketed, particularly by Apple. Every single Apple Intelligence commercial is about a mediocre person who is not up to the task in front of them, but asks their iPhone for help and ends up skating by. Their families are happy, their co-workers are impressed, and they learn nothing about how to handle the task on their own the next time except that their phone bailed their lame ass out.
It seems to be a reflection of our current political climate, though, where expertise is ignored, competence is scorned, and everyone is out for themselves.
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Hello, recent Reddit convert here and I'm loving it. You even inspired me to figure out how to fully dump Windows and install LineageOS.
One thing I can't understand is the level of acrimony toward LLMs. I see things like "stochastic parrot", "glorified autocomplete", etc. If you need an example, the comments section for the post on Apple saying LLMs don't reason is a doozy of angry people: https://infosec.pub/post/29574988
While I didn't expect a community of vibecoders, I am genuinely curious about why LLMs strike such an emotional response with this crowd. It's a tool that has gone from interesting (GPT3) to terrifying (Veo 3) in a few years and I am personally concerned about many of the safety/control issues in the future.
So I ask: what is the real reason this is such an emotional topic for you in particular? My personal guess is that the claims about replacing software engineers is the biggest issue, but help me understand.
It’s a tool that has gone from interesting (GPT3) to terrifying (Veo 3)
It's ironic that you describe your impression of LLMs in emotional terms.
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Hello, recent Reddit convert here and I'm loving it. You even inspired me to figure out how to fully dump Windows and install LineageOS.
One thing I can't understand is the level of acrimony toward LLMs. I see things like "stochastic parrot", "glorified autocomplete", etc. If you need an example, the comments section for the post on Apple saying LLMs don't reason is a doozy of angry people: https://infosec.pub/post/29574988
While I didn't expect a community of vibecoders, I am genuinely curious about why LLMs strike such an emotional response with this crowd. It's a tool that has gone from interesting (GPT3) to terrifying (Veo 3) in a few years and I am personally concerned about many of the safety/control issues in the future.
So I ask: what is the real reason this is such an emotional topic for you in particular? My personal guess is that the claims about replacing software engineers is the biggest issue, but help me understand.
AI becoming much more widespread isn’t because it’s actually that interesting. It’s all manufactured. Forcibly shoved into our faces. And for the negative things AI is capable of, I have an uneasy feeling about all this.
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Hello, recent Reddit convert here and I'm loving it. You even inspired me to figure out how to fully dump Windows and install LineageOS.
One thing I can't understand is the level of acrimony toward LLMs. I see things like "stochastic parrot", "glorified autocomplete", etc. If you need an example, the comments section for the post on Apple saying LLMs don't reason is a doozy of angry people: https://infosec.pub/post/29574988
While I didn't expect a community of vibecoders, I am genuinely curious about why LLMs strike such an emotional response with this crowd. It's a tool that has gone from interesting (GPT3) to terrifying (Veo 3) in a few years and I am personally concerned about many of the safety/control issues in the future.
So I ask: what is the real reason this is such an emotional topic for you in particular? My personal guess is that the claims about replacing software engineers is the biggest issue, but help me understand.
In addition to what everyone else has said, they’re doing all this not-useful work replacing humans with unrealistic hype, but to do it they’re using up SO MUCH natural resources it’s astonishing.
They have caused chip shortages. They are extracting all the natural water from aquifers in an area for cooling and then dumping it because it’s no longer potable. Microsoft and Google are talking about building nuclear power plants dedicated JUST to the LLMs.
They are doing this all for snake oil as others have pointed out. It’s destroying the world socially, economically, and physically. And not in a “oh cars disrupted buggy whips” kind of way; in a “the atmosphere is no longer breathable” kind of way.
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Hello, recent Reddit convert here and I'm loving it. You even inspired me to figure out how to fully dump Windows and install LineageOS.
One thing I can't understand is the level of acrimony toward LLMs. I see things like "stochastic parrot", "glorified autocomplete", etc. If you need an example, the comments section for the post on Apple saying LLMs don't reason is a doozy of angry people: https://infosec.pub/post/29574988
While I didn't expect a community of vibecoders, I am genuinely curious about why LLMs strike such an emotional response with this crowd. It's a tool that has gone from interesting (GPT3) to terrifying (Veo 3) in a few years and I am personally concerned about many of the safety/control issues in the future.
So I ask: what is the real reason this is such an emotional topic for you in particular? My personal guess is that the claims about replacing software engineers is the biggest issue, but help me understand.
It might be interesting to cross-post this question to !fuck_ai@lemmy.world
but brace for impact
