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X.com blocks access to Ekrem Imamoglu, leader of Turkey political opposition

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  • How is what you quoted "standing up" to anything? Am I missing something?

    Am I missing something?

    Yes. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you might have taken the quoted text and the link as being the same thing, when they are 2 separate things.

    The X link is a post from X Global Government Affairs regarding this Turkey censorship situation. Some of the text from it:

    X received an order to restrict access in Türkiye to the account of the now-detained Mayor of Istanbul. While we have followed Türkiye’s order regarding the account, we strongly disagree with the order and are challenging the order in court. In the spirit of full transparency, we are sharing the court order and our legal filing below.

    The order was received from the Turkish Information and Communication Technologies Authority. These orders require X to block content in Türkiye that is available in the rest of the world.

    Lack of compliance with these orders can lead to severe sanctions, including throttling of the entire platform in Türkiye. X complied with the court order while we challenge the order in court because we believe keeping the platform accessible in Türkiye is vital to supporting freedom of expression and access to information, particularly following natural disasters and other emergencies.

    In the spirit of upholding due process, we carefully review all the requests under the local law. X has been and will continue to object to removal orders including government requests in courts to protect users when those requests do not align with principles of free expression, due process, or other local laws.

    Basically the government threatened X to censor that account in Turkey or face severe punishment, like many censorship-happy governments have done lately. X complied but are taking them to court over their order, like they have done with all the other censorship-happy governments who have done the same thing.

    BlueSky banned the politicians account there btw. They aren't challenging the order in court.

  • A little context might have been nice, but then the musk hate and conspiracy theories would be harder to justify:

    X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.

    They're also challenging the legal request in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081

    Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision. Erdoğan is known for silencing and jailing opposition and anyone with knowledge of Turkish politics is aware of this

  • Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision. Erdoğan is known for silencing and jailing opposition and anyone with knowledge of Turkish politics is aware of this

    Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision.

    No it's not. Did you even read the linked X Global Affairs post?

    Lack of compliance with these orders can lead to severe sanctions, including throttling of the entire platform in Türkiye. X complied with the court order while we challenge the order in court because we believe keeping the platform accessible in Türkiye is vital to supporting freedom of expression and access to information, particularly following natural disasters and other emergencies.

    It's not a political decision, it's a legal one. If they don't comply then the entire site can legally be banned from the entire country, for example.

  • Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision.

    No it's not. Did you even read the linked X Global Affairs post?

    Lack of compliance with these orders can lead to severe sanctions, including throttling of the entire platform in Türkiye. X complied with the court order while we challenge the order in court because we believe keeping the platform accessible in Türkiye is vital to supporting freedom of expression and access to information, particularly following natural disasters and other emergencies.

    It's not a political decision, it's a legal one. If they don't comply then the entire site can legally be banned from the entire country, for example.

    Yes I read that and hold that this decision is still highly political. Technically X can choose to simply not exist in Turkey. Obviously they won't do this and Erdogan knows this, profit is king. This doesn't change the fact that they are choosing to cow to threats by a dictator. Legal decisions are political and have political implications. Who do you think wrote those laws?

  • Yes I read that and hold that this decision is still highly political. Technically X can choose to simply not exist in Turkey. Obviously they won't do this and Erdogan knows this, profit is king. This doesn't change the fact that they are choosing to cow to threats by a dictator. Legal decisions are political and have political implications. Who do you think wrote those laws?

    So you think that instead of complying while fighting the legal order and being able to tell users that what is happening, you think that they should pull the entire site from the country?

    They aren’t “choosing to bow to threats by a dictator” - they are following the law, and fighting the legal order through the courts.

    Come on mate lol. They’re doing the absolute most user and free speech friendly thing they can possibly do given the situation.

    Question - what would you have done in this situation if you owned and ran X?

  • So you think that instead of complying while fighting the legal order and being able to tell users that what is happening, you think that they should pull the entire site from the country?

    They aren’t “choosing to bow to threats by a dictator” - they are following the law, and fighting the legal order through the courts.

    Come on mate lol. They’re doing the absolute most user and free speech friendly thing they can possibly do given the situation.

    Question - what would you have done in this situation if you owned and ran X?

    I would never stoop so low as to exploit the labor of others

  • X is challenging the legal order in court btw:

    Just like they have done and are doing in basically every country that makes legal demands like this.

    Edit: the dogpiling in here is insane.

    I post a link to a tweet where X spell out that they were FORCED by the Turkish government to ban the account, and that they are challenging the order in court because they don’t believe in this violation of free speech……and I get downvoted?

    Oh thats funny because they refused to take down the Sydney stabbing videos, despite being told to for months. They gave us a half arsed geoblock for Australia while still allowing the offending material to circulate.

    And Musk will routinely attack free speech, he does it all the time on X to users e.g. plane tracker guy

    Edit: Ah you're a rightist troll trying to pretend Musk isnt a Nazi, I see.

  • Ekrem is Kemalist, which is very similar to a literal Nazi, but in the current world I'll even agree he's kinda better than many other variants.

    Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor... is a Nazi!

    Holy shit, the sheer stupidity needed to come up with such a take!

  • Expecting Bluesky to do the same in a short while.

    Why?

  • X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.

    X are also challenging the legal order in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081

    You've called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.

    I know they would comply just as well, as I stated in another comment, because they are a private platform, but actually in this case the presence on Bluesky of the Imamoglu account in perfect condition with 129K followers proves that something else must be the case here.

    Also, X didn't give a shit about complying in Brazil.

    Nah, Nazi platform does nazi stuff, it's that simple.

    You can come down the mirror now.

  • Expecting Bluesky to do the same in a short while.

    Why?

    There needs to be some sort of unblockable self-hosted broadcast system where users can spin up their own cloud hosted instance by entering a username and password and choosing one of hundreds of providers for a small fee, or self hosted instance as quickly and easily as installing a single app on an android phone. These with act just like websites, but with a common protocol and API so they can communicate with each other and with clients with no specific add-on. Then, Turkey or whoever could block Turkish ISPs from fulfilling that request, but anyone else could still access the instance in their client as long as their own instance doesn't block it.

    Hostable on a phone, a windows PC, Linux PC, self-hosted VM, cloud rented VM, whatever. And easily portable from one place to another.

    Sure, uptime and reliability would suffer, EG when PC is turned off, but that's acceptable to gain resilience against ISP, central services like google and Facebook and twitter, and government interference.

    I have designed a system to do this, using very reliable existing protocols and programming frameworks, I just don't have the time or money to invest to make it happen.

  • There needs to be some sort of unblockable self-hosted broadcast system where users can spin up their own cloud hosted instance by entering a username and password and choosing one of hundreds of providers for a small fee, or self hosted instance as quickly and easily as installing a single app on an android phone. These with act just like websites, but with a common protocol and API so they can communicate with each other and with clients with no specific add-on. Then, Turkey or whoever could block Turkish ISPs from fulfilling that request, but anyone else could still access the instance in their client as long as their own instance doesn't block it.

    Hostable on a phone, a windows PC, Linux PC, self-hosted VM, cloud rented VM, whatever. And easily portable from one place to another.

    Sure, uptime and reliability would suffer, EG when PC is turned off, but that's acceptable to gain resilience against ISP, central services like google and Facebook and twitter, and government interference.

    I have designed a system to do this, using very reliable existing protocols and programming frameworks, I just don't have the time or money to invest to make it happen.

    Hah, I designed one as well!

    I think the flow of information has to be fundamentally different.

    In mine, people only receive data directly from people they know and trust in real life. This makes scaling easy, and makes it impossible for centralized entities to broadcast propaganda to everyone at once.

    I described it at freetheinter.net if you're interested

  • His gesture is as much of a "Nazi salute" as Elon Musks. They're either both Nazi salutes, or neither are. No other option.

    No, that is not how words or logic or anything really works. But it is unsurprising that a fascist like you wouldn't know that, considering you don't really care about words.

  • Hah, I designed one as well!

    I think the flow of information has to be fundamentally different.

    In mine, people only receive data directly from people they know and trust in real life. This makes scaling easy, and makes it impossible for centralized entities to broadcast propaganda to everyone at once.

    I described it at freetheinter.net if you're interested

    Maybe I'm misunderstanding, isn't that basically what signal does?

  • Only if you ignore that Twitter is owned by a nazi

    It's not.

    Perhaps you have not been following the news. Elon Musk owns Twitter these days.

  • I know they would comply just as well, as I stated in another comment, because they are a private platform, but actually in this case the presence on Bluesky of the Imamoglu account in perfect condition with 129K followers proves that something else must be the case here.

    Also, X didn't give a shit about complying in Brazil.

    Nah, Nazi platform does nazi stuff, it's that simple.

    You can come down the mirror now.

    Bluesky blocked his account in turkey btw, just like X did. Bluesky have made no mention of challenging the legal request in court like X have though.

    Iirc the Brazil situation was the first time anything like this had happened since Musk bought Twitter. They definitely didn’t handle it correctly, but they’ve clearly learned since then. Now they comply with legal requests and challenge them through the courts. Would you prefer they just folded every time and didn’t challenge, like all the others? Like Bluesky?

    Good work on calling me a nazi though! I did nazi that coming!!

  • Well, that is one way to get off the Nazi platform.

  • X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.

    "full of shit" = "standing up for free speech against governments that are trying to censor political opponents" ?

    1. How is censoring a politician "standing up for free speech"?
    2. "full of shit" = not a "free speech absolutist". "free speech absolutist" implies that you will not censor any speech no matter what.
  • He would get blocked there because BlueSky will comply with legal requests as well, because if they don't they will face criminal charges and/or massive fines. BlueSky, being a platform that loves censorship, would not challenge the legal order in court like X are either.

    Even fediverse instance owners would be forced to block his accounts under threat of fines and/or prosecution.

    edit: BlueSky have already blocked his account lol

    if they don't they will face criminal charges

    The Turkish government does not have the authority to enforce criminal charges on an American person/company.

    Even fediverse instance owners would be forced to block his accounts under threat of fines and/or prosecution.

    Only if the instance owners/servers were in Turkey.

  • if they don't they will face criminal charges

    The Turkish government does not have the authority to enforce criminal charges on an American person/company.

    Even fediverse instance owners would be forced to block his accounts under threat of fines and/or prosecution.

    Only if the instance owners/servers were in Turkey.

    Criminal charges was probably the wrong word, but that’s being pedantic. The company operates in Turkey and allows Turkish people to use the product, so they have to follow Turkish laws. The Turkish government can file legal charges against them for failure to comply. Same with any fediverse instance owners - they would either have to block their instance from all Turkish users, or comply.

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