So what you are saying is that it has a purpose. Also if an artist is inspired by another artist, and they have a generally similar art style as the artist they are inspired by, are they stealing? Was HP Lovecraft stealing from Lord Dunsany when he imitated his style? Where all those monks that transcribed Greek works stealing from the Greeks?

I will say that most AIs are unethical because they have been trained on pirated works. But an AI trained on publicly available works (ie news articles, blogs etc) and movies, books and music for which access to was paid for is as ethical as you or me emulating an artist or building on an idea that we read to create something new. And if that’s unethical then all human art in history is unethical because all artists are inspired by other artists, no one creates in a vacuum.

I bet Video Chess is pretty shit as an LLM too.

Wish people would stop desperately looking for ways to write buzzword stories

TBF LLMs have no real purpose. It can generate word salads and make code snippets but its wildly unethical, and AI artworks 1/3rd shite and 2/3rds theft.

so? It was never advertised as intelligent and capable of solving any task other than that one.

Meanwhile slop generators are capable of doing a lot of things and reasoning.

One claims to be good at chess. The other claims to be good at everything.

AI artworks 1/3rd shite and 2/3rds theft.

To be fair, that could be said of most art.

I'm sorry your life is so joyless and devoid of enjoyable art but its absolutely not true for the vast majority of us.

I really want to see an LLM vs LLM chess match. It'll be messy as hell.

I thought CoPilot was just a rebagged ChatGPT anyway?

It's a silly experiment anyway, there are very good AI chess grandmasters but they were actually trained to play chess, not predict the next word in a text.

Language skill != intelligence

TBF LLMs have no real purpose. It can generate word salads and make code snippets but its wildly unethical, and AI artworks 1/3rd shite and 2/3rds theft.

I really want to see an LLM vs LLM chess match. It'll be messy as hell.

Oh, I enjoy lots of great art! But do you think I watch every film? Listen to every band? There's tons of shit out there!

Do you really believe, of all the songs that are written every day, that less than a third are crap? Even Taylor Swift doesn't publish everything she does. Sometimes you work on something for weeks and then end up tossing it in the bin. More often, you work on something for 30 minutes before deciding "I'm gonna start over, try something different". The majority of art is crap, but then you keep the stuff you think works.

And what's that expression, "good artists copy, great artists steal". I mean, that's a bit satirical, but the fact is, everything is derivative to some degree. It's not that there aren't new ideas, it's just that our new ideas are based on older ones. We stand on the shoulders of giants (or at least, on the shoulders of some people who came before us).

All I was really saying, was that the accusation "2 parts copying, 1 part crap", well honestly that's par for the course, that's how humans work. (And we do some great work that way).

I enjoy lots of great art! But do you think I watch every film? Listen to every band? There’s tons of shit out there!

You said regular art is 1/3 shite and 2/3 theft. Maybe math isn't your strong suit but that's 3/3 which is 100% so by claiming regular art is the same you're saying all art is either theft or shite.

It uh, it isn't.

I have a better LLM benchmark:

"I have a priest, a child and a bag of candy and I have to take them to the other side of the river. I can only take one person/thing at a time. In what order should I take them?"

Claude Sonnet 4 decided that it's inappropriate and refused to answer. When I explain that the constraint is not to leave child alone with candy he provided a solution that leaves the child alone with candy.

Grok would provide a solution that doesn't leave the child alone with a priest but wouldn't explain why.

ChatGPT would say that "The priest can't be left alone with the child (or vice versa) for moral or safety concerns." directly and then provide wrong solution.

But yeah, they will know how to play chess...

So what you are saying is that it has a purpose. Also if an artist is inspired by another artist, and they have a generally similar art style as the artist they are inspired by, are they stealing? Was HP Lovecraft stealing from Lord Dunsany when he imitated his style? Where all those monks that transcribed Greek works stealing from the Greeks?

I will say that most AIs are unethical because they have been trained on pirated works. But an AI trained on publicly available works (ie news articles, blogs etc) and movies, books and music for which access to was paid for is as ethical as you or me emulating an artist or building on an idea that we read to create something new. And if that’s unethical then all human art in history is unethical because all artists are inspired by other artists, no one creates in a vacuum.