Tesla's European car sales nosedive for fifth month as customers switch to Chinese EVs
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i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 11:37 zuletzt editiert vonCompetition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It's not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.
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i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 11:38 zuletzt editiert vonI would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.
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I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 11:44 zuletzt editiert vonYeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.
Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.
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Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It's not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 11:52 zuletzt editiert vonNot super into cars but is there even any reason other than environmental friendliness to get an EV? Where I'm from, EVs are all wildly expensive compared to their combustion peers and they all frankly look really ugly to me. The coil whine of the EVs also drive me crazy.
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i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 11:59 zuletzt editiert vonEverywhere is depndent on China, buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car. They also suck.
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I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:05 zuletzt editiert vonSo support the country committing a genocide against the uyghurs? Because you think a salute is worse than a Holocaust, got it.
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Not super into cars but is there even any reason other than environmental friendliness to get an EV? Where I'm from, EVs are all wildly expensive compared to their combustion peers and they all frankly look really ugly to me. The coil whine of the EVs also drive me crazy.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:07 zuletzt editiert vonThey make decent "point A to point B" cars, but that's about it. They take a long time to charge, and when that battery is due for replacement, it might just total the car.
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So support the country committing a genocide against the uyghurs? Because you think a salute is worse than a Holocaust, got it.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:09 zuletzt editiert vonIf you don't see musk as one of the singular greatest threats to this planet, I dunno what to tell you. It is certainly not just the salute, that was just the most public he's been about his true self. If I recall those Nazis had some thoughts on the Holocaust as well.
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So support the country committing a genocide against the uyghurs? Because you think a salute is worse than a Holocaust, got it.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:12 zuletzt editiert vonHahaha.
As opposed to supporting a country that... (fill in the blanks, there is an infinite supply)
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i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:18 zuletzt editiert vonThe article title is a bit sensational. The share of the market for all Chinese EV is 5,6%. It’s not ( yet ? ) a tsunami.
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Not super into cars but is there even any reason other than environmental friendliness to get an EV? Where I'm from, EVs are all wildly expensive compared to their combustion peers and they all frankly look really ugly to me. The coil whine of the EVs also drive me crazy.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:21 zuletzt editiert von pennomi@lemmy.worldEven the cheap ones accelerate faster, ride smoother, and are quieter. You don’t have to get oil changes, and the brakes don’t wear down as fast. Plus I can recharge at home, which is loads cheaper than buying gasoline.
And this is all with a relatively ancient Nissan Leaf, the new vehicles are all far better.
Oh, and let’s not forget that even very small air quality improvements have noticeable improvements in lung health! Humans were not meant to be breathing gasoline fumes or combustion exhaust.
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USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.
This admin has set the USA back 100 years.
ETA - what I mean is that China is rampaging on in electrification, developing manufacturing skills, infrastructure, and design/engineering/technology around renewables and electrification. Europe is thinking about it but not going crazy to the extent China is, because legacy - China doesn’t have 100 years of cars and 150 years of trains; they’re building new. USA meanwhile is actively regressing under Republican policies.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:22 zuletzt editiert vonEspecially when you see some of the tech being rocked in Asian cities
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I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:31 zuletzt editiert von 14th_cylon@lemm.eei am afraid it is just that most CEOs are sane enough to keep their embarrassing moments for their private life. do you think musk is the only narcissistic psychopath on drugs in the business world?
this is not advocating for musk, but it is important to be grounded in reality
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They make decent "point A to point B" cars, but that's about it. They take a long time to charge, and when that battery is due for replacement, it might just total the car.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:33 zuletzt editiert vonThey make decent “point A to point B” cars
which is, coincidentally, what most people need from a car
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USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.
This admin has set the USA back 100 years.
ETA - what I mean is that China is rampaging on in electrification, developing manufacturing skills, infrastructure, and design/engineering/technology around renewables and electrification. Europe is thinking about it but not going crazy to the extent China is, because legacy - China doesn’t have 100 years of cars and 150 years of trains; they’re building new. USA meanwhile is actively regressing under Republican policies.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:33 zuletzt editiert vonBut… but… those good ol’ days felt so good! We need to relive those days!
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Everywhere is depndent on China, buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car. They also suck.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:34 zuletzt editiert vonbuy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car.
that isn't really an argument in favor of china
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i am afraid it is just that most CEOs are sane enough to keep their embarrassing moments for their private life. do you think musk is the only narcissistic psychopath on drugs in the business world?
this is not advocating for musk, but it is important to be grounded in reality
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:36 zuletzt editiert vonI have no doubt most CEOs are psychopaths, but they also don't own a global Nazi mouthpiece like twitter, or have more money and resources than several small nations.
Feet firmly planted in reality, thanks. You definitely sound like your advocating for musk.
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So support the country committing a genocide against the uyghurs? Because you think a salute is worse than a Holocaust, got it.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:41 zuletzt editiert vonWith that level of indirection gymnastics, you can accuse anyone of anything.
(This comment written in the language of a brutally colonizing and genocidal empire.)
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I have no doubt most CEOs are psychopaths, but they also don't own a global Nazi mouthpiece like twitter, or have more money and resources than several small nations.
Feet firmly planted in reality, thanks. You definitely sound like your advocating for musk.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 12:44 zuletzt editiert von 14th_cylon@lemm.eeI would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.
I have no doubt most CEOs are psychopaths, but they also don't own a global Nazi mouthpiece like twitter
So did you mean "CEOs not throwing a Nazi salute" or "CEOs whose Nazi salutes don't show up on your twitter feed"?
It seems you forgot what your argument is in a span of two rebuttals
You definitely sound like your advocating for musk.
You should work on your reading comprehension then
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Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.
Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.
schrieb am 25. Juni 2025, 13:18 zuletzt editiert vonGASP!
You mean... Proper capitalism!?
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