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Taylor Swift’s new album comes in cassette. Who is buying those?

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  • How is it any different than making a playlist? You said a long shot, that's not true.

    I am not talking about Spotify, I never use it, but unless you are talking about the level of effort to make the tape, then what's the difference?

    Records are bulky, heavy, and horribly environmentally bad. Cassettes aren't as bad but are really inconvenient.

    I got rid of all of those years ago and I am so glad I did.

    I still have a music collection, I don't use streaming services though. And no no CDs either.

    You have no time constraints when making a playlist. It doesn't have to fit neatly into 2x 30 or 45 minutes. And because it has to fit into that time constraint, it affects the choice of tracks and their placement into the aforementioned flow. Including a track like Herbie Hancock's Chameleon has a huge impact on a mixtape, but on a playlist it's just another song.

  • You have no time constraints when making a playlist. It doesn't have to fit neatly into 2x 30 or 45 minutes. And because it has to fit into that time constraint, it affects the choice of tracks and their placement into the aforementioned flow. Including a track like Herbie Hancock's Chameleon has a huge impact on a mixtape, but on a playlist it's just another song.

    So make artificial limits on your playlist then.

  • When Taylor Swift’s releases her new album, “Life of a Showgirl,” in October, it can be heard on the usual places, including streaming, vinyl and…cassette tape?

    The cassette tape was once one of the most common ways to listen to music, overtaking vinyl in the 1980s before being surpassed by CDs. But the physical audio format has become an artifact of a bygone era, giving way to the convenience of streaming.

    Or, that’s what many thought.

    In 2023, 436,400 cassettes were sold in the United States, according to the most recent data available from Luminate, an entertainment data firm. Although that’s a far cry from the 440 million cassettes sold in the 1980s, it’s a sharp increase from the 80,720 cassettes sold in 2015 and a notable revival for a format that had been all but written off.

    Cassettes might not be experiencing the resurgence of vinyls or even CDs, but they are making a bit of a comeback, spurred by fans wanting an intimate experience with music and nostalgia, said Charlie Kaplan, owner of online store Tapehead City.

    “People just like having something you can hold and keep, especially now when everything’s just a rented file on your phone,” Kaplan told CNN.

    “Tapes provide a different type of listening experience — not perfect, but that’s part of it. Flip it over, look at the art and listen all the way through. You connect with the music with more of your senses,” he said.

    I did a collaboration once where we were considering doing a limited release of a one-off song on an Edison cylinder recording.

    Turns out that yes, there are firms that produce them, but those fuckers are expensive.

    And notice that nobody wants to release on 8-track tape cartridges. That's because those things sucked.

  • Another one of those pointless articles... Cassettes have been on the rise for a couple of years now, and for the same reasons that vinyl has been making a comeback; mainly fake nostalgia and the yearning for true ownership in form of physical media.

    As a vinyl snob, listening to music on that medium isn't better. The quality is at best a little worse than what you get from a CD, it's inconvenient, bloody expensive and it takes up space.

    BUT you get to actually hold the music you love in your hands and listen to it more intently, because you've made the effort of putting on a record instead of just pressing play. I like that.

    Edit: just realised I just made the same points the article made... oh well. I'll just continue archiving my CD collection. Not (only) for posterity, but as a big middle finger to the RIAA.

    mainly fake nostalgia

    Is there any other kind?

  • Another one of those pointless articles… Cassettes have been on the rise for a couple of years now, and for the same reasons that vinyl has been making a comeback; mainly fake nostalgia and the yearning for true ownership in form of physical media.

    No. Cassettes sound like shit. They are a very lossy format. Vinyl actually sounds different in ways that people like. My vinyl collection has nothing to do with nostalgia (I grew up after CDs were on the rise). On a solid system, there's a lot more fidelity in the bass on vinyl.

    Vinyl has to be mastered differently (using the RIAA equalization curve) because vinyl is a crap medium. Low frequencies, unequalized, can cause the stylus to jump out of the groove. High frequencies tend to be attenuated. And it's noisy as well, and the noise gets worse over time. The "warmth" afiicionados treasure is mainly harmonic distortion from the amp reconsituting the equalized sound.

    On a solid system, there’s a lot more fidelity in the bass on vinyl.

    See above. Bass has to be compressed in order to be written to vinyl in a way that doesn't damage the record on playback. The amp then decompresses it before you hear it. Compression and decompression do not increase fidelity, instead what you get is a decompressed signal with the same reduced resolution as the compressed signal on the vinyl. In other words, you lose fidelity during the compression process, and information which is lost cannot be put back in later.

  • The only advantage of tape was, at the time, it's smaller size and portability

    And not being read-only.

    Also, you could spool them with a pencil.

    Also, you could spool them with a pencil.

    Which you only had to do to recover from a common media failure mode.

  • You've completely missed the point.

    You grew up in a world where the quirks of analog formats were nothing but technical limitations to be overcome. It is true that a FLAC is literally superior in every way to a Vinyl if your value function only takes in cost, quality, and convenience.

    HOWEVER Gen Z grew up in a world where music was always cheap and convenient to access. We also (mostly) grew up in a world of touchscreens and always-online gadgets and doodads. My generation's first portable music player was often the iPod touch. You know what all of that does to a person? It creates a deep craving for tactile feedback. For technology that doesn't nag with software updates, for music that can't be "unlicensed" and pulled from your library remotely, for a music player that you can touch and feel and interact with in a more meaningful way than tapping on the little square of glass that already runs our lives. For the little rituals that have been stripped away, like flipping a vinyl at the midway point or rewinding a tape.

    The entire point of analog is that it's "worse". It's un-clinical, it's raw, it's tactile, it's physical. Listening to my favorite albums on vinyl is such a better experience than through the disembodied shuffle of my phone. I don't crave maximum audio fidelity or convenience because I always could have those things literally whenever I want.

    The entire point of analog is that it’s “worse”

    They're savoring the patina.

  • You've completely missed the point.

    You grew up in a world where the quirks of analog formats were nothing but technical limitations to be overcome. It is true that a FLAC is literally superior in every way to a Vinyl if your value function only takes in cost, quality, and convenience.

    HOWEVER Gen Z grew up in a world where music was always cheap and convenient to access. We also (mostly) grew up in a world of touchscreens and always-online gadgets and doodads. My generation's first portable music player was often the iPod touch. You know what all of that does to a person? It creates a deep craving for tactile feedback. For technology that doesn't nag with software updates, for music that can't be "unlicensed" and pulled from your library remotely, for a music player that you can touch and feel and interact with in a more meaningful way than tapping on the little square of glass that already runs our lives. For the little rituals that have been stripped away, like flipping a vinyl at the midway point or rewinding a tape.

    The entire point of analog is that it's "worse". It's un-clinical, it's raw, it's tactile, it's physical. Listening to my favorite albums on vinyl is such a better experience than through the disembodied shuffle of my phone. I don't crave maximum audio fidelity or convenience because I always could have those things literally whenever I want.

    You may agree that "cost, quality, and convenience" are pretty damn desirable.

    I do agree, and kind of miss, the anticipation for a record release, the listening to the radio (in my case the quality non-commercial programs, think BBC, NPR, and their equivalents) with the finger on the record button, the wonder of buying a new LP, and poring over the jacket, and the occasional included booklet, flipping through records at the store,and many other cool aspects, but I stand by the vastly increased quality and durability.

    If you want the rituals (save the fucking chore and expense of cleaning records), CDs are a pretty nice compromise. Tactile, mainly manual, choice of playing linearly, as many artists intended, possibility of programming or shuffling, high quality, and many other choices. With records and even worse, cassettes, you are stuck with the artifacts introduced by a bad medium and bad equipment. Want "warmth"? get a decent tube amp. Better yet, build from as kit. Great experience, and if you want control over sound, buy and learn to use a proper equalizer.

  • Your view is totally fine, but I guess you're not understanding why people do this. I'm a millennial, around 30. Personally I buy CDs, I buy vinyl, and I even have some stuff on tape. I've also recently picked up film photography and among my friends it's common nowadays to bring some 2000-2010 digicams.

    So why? flac is perfect, and streaming services stream whatever high-quality music you'd ever want to play. Film is expensive, and digicams are often way more shit than whatever a modern smartphone that's already in your pocket can do.

    Personally I've become bored by perfection, overwhelmed by choice, and frustrated with the lack of owning anything. When I play a physical album I sit down for it, I am focused on the music. I cannot easily choose the music, I'll just have to accept the order of the album. There are way fewer choices to overwhelm me. Likewise, with film photography, it feels simpler in a way. You shoot a few images in a go, because film isn't cheap, and you'll only get to see them weeks later when the roll is developed. No pressure of the perfect shot, no insane resolution to show any imperfection. And mistakes just happen, because you cannot see what you're doing, so you just have to accept them. Digitally you can just take 20 pictures and take the best one.

    So back to music. Why would one prefer vinyl or tape over CD? As a life-long CD collector, I wondered the same thing a few years ago. But when artists that I enjoy started skipping CD releases in favor of vinyl I hopped in, invested in a shit vinyl player, and didn't really get it. Sure it had a character, but it wasn't great in any way. After some more research I found out that it was probably just the vinyl player (please don't get some cheap shit for a 100 bucks with a red unbranded needle). I invested in an Audiotechnica LP70XBT, and oh boy did stuff improve. I finally get it. The sound is gorgeous, though not necessarily better or worse than CD imo. It's a bit warmer, with detailed bass but less clinical high end. And I love the whole tactile experience of it. Older vinyl definitely sounds worse than modern CD quality though.

    I think it's the whole experience that people enjoy. Putting the vinyl or cassette in the player, having something move and, as if it were magic, suddenly there's music. With a slightly different character that differentiates it from the clean and clinical sound of high quality digital audio. Modern digital audio is great and definitely has its place, but at times it can feel sterile, too perfect. The crackles and warmth of vinyl, the grain and slightly off colours of photographic film, they feel like they have more personality. They stem from a time where the imperfections of the medium still kinda hid the imperfections of the artist.

    (Okay this turned into quite a ramble but I hope there's something useful in there :3 )

    Ok, first: You do you.
    Second: I'm not in possession of absolute truth.

    But if I may, I'd like to share some of my experientially acquired knowledge.

    On sound; I stand by my words. Why accept worse quality sound because the medium is inferior? Do whatever you want to post process, but having control. Want permanent "warmth"? Buy, or even better, build a tube amp. Pretty easy BTW. Want some sound characteristics? Get a proper equalizer and learn to use it. Want crackle? Well, really, that is something to discuss with your therapist.. BTW, what all people call warmth is just a slight bump in the 60-80 Khz range. I like many old amps, and speakers. I've actually designed and sold a few bespoke speaker systems. Some vintage Klipsch sets, with a refoaming are still astounding, but sources have gotten way better.

    Regarding photography; I bought my first SLR, a Vivitar XV1 ( A Pentax K1000 copy) in the 80's. All manual, but with a built in light meter. From there I went on to a Pentax , then another, then Pentax's first autofocus, and the worlds first SLR with a pop-up flash, often derided as a gimmick, but amazingly useful, the mighty SF1, I also had a Nikon F601 with a couple of lenses and a Old school 6x6 Bellows Zeiss. I've developed quite a bit. I kind of know my stuff.

    Analog photography is not superior, but different. It's absolutely true that the limited amount of film, and the cost of developing, promotes thoughtful composition, framing, and anticipation. Selecting the right film, understanding your lenses, and, crucially, undesrtanding that the most important piece of kit is the lens, 2nd the tripod, and then the body,
    helps a lot in getting superior photographs. If you know what you want, understand your film, your camera, your kit, you can get results unmatchable by digital, no matter how much post-processing. What, why, how, are necessary ingredients in film photography.

    That said, I would think, compose, etc the photo in my mind, and then shoot bursts, the ask for a contact sheet, and choose what I wanted for prints. No need to gamble all on the speed of your index finger. Film was the cheapest variable in the equation, except for Kodachrome, the GOAT of films. Fuji makes some very good film, but Kodachrome was beyond anything.

    Kodachrome 64, and occasionally 25, how I miss you! those films demanded discipline, but the rewards were astounding.

    Yes, in some respects, film is still superior to digital, ***IF ***you understand the medium, kit, process, and thinking.

    A digital compact? Fine, but get one of the later ones. Advice from someone who bought and used an Olympus 1.2 Mpx fixed lens in 1999. There is NOOOO redeeming value in an early digital, except.... Yeah, NONE.

    Anecdote: I recently saw a kid, floating around his friends, taking pics with an old point-and-shoot. The cringe was strong. I was thinking, "Jeez, kid! I'm all for film, but buy an actual reflex with a proper lens, they are cheap as fuck in second hand marketplaces!!

  • You may agree that "cost, quality, and convenience" are pretty damn desirable.

    I do agree, and kind of miss, the anticipation for a record release, the listening to the radio (in my case the quality non-commercial programs, think BBC, NPR, and their equivalents) with the finger on the record button, the wonder of buying a new LP, and poring over the jacket, and the occasional included booklet, flipping through records at the store,and many other cool aspects, but I stand by the vastly increased quality and durability.

    If you want the rituals (save the fucking chore and expense of cleaning records), CDs are a pretty nice compromise. Tactile, mainly manual, choice of playing linearly, as many artists intended, possibility of programming or shuffling, high quality, and many other choices. With records and even worse, cassettes, you are stuck with the artifacts introduced by a bad medium and bad equipment. Want "warmth"? get a decent tube amp. Better yet, build from as kit. Great experience, and if you want control over sound, buy and learn to use a proper equalizer.

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    I am not looking for a compromise. I listen to my high-quality digital library on shuffle most of the time, and am very well aware that my phone allows me to access orders of magnitude more music than even the most compact CD player.

    When I do listen to my favorite albums as LPs, the clunkiness and the artifacts are part of an Experience. I can listen to exact copies of the digital masters of those songs any time I want to, but sometimes we do things BECAUSE they are not maximally optimal. Sometimes I want to take a walk alongside the river and get my feet a little bit wet even though I could have worn boots. Feel a little something, you know?

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